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All right, everybody. I’m very um honored and proud to have Alandre Markman on our stage. He is very much a

survivor of the MTalk Project or Project Phoenix. Um it’s amazing to have him on

our stage. You know, he like so many others has been through so much. So, thank you, Alandra.

Thanks for having me. Hello. Yes, I’m Alandre Markman. I’m named on the slide.

Wow. I work today mostly as a deprogrammer.

So, I help survivors get free, get grounded, get deprogrammed, integrate

altars, all that good stuff and I teach meditation

and um help anyone get grounded, not just survivors. Um, but being a survivor

myself, it’s especially meaningful for me uh to work with other survivors. So,

it’s probably about half and half with my clientele. Um, half just people of all diverse types of experiences and

half mind control survivors. Whale. Um, yeah, I’ll give a brief

introduction to myself during the presentation. I’m calling this getting grounded as a trauma-based mind control

survivor. Tada. This is a picture from Mount Shasta where I live. This is taken

from Panther Meadows way up on Mount Shasta. Really nice sunset picture

and kind of a peaceful place to start. Um, I like to use the word trauma based

mind control because it’s inclusive of all the stuff that we’ve gone through,

um, including satanic ritual abuse, secret space programs, timeline manipulation,

etc. and on and on and on. There are many forms of related abuse and they all

rely on fragmenting people into DID systems, alter systems, and then getting

those altars to do things independently of each other and I unconsciously of

each other quite often and moving those altars into different bodies,

using those altars for purposes that the host would find completely

objectionable. So Penny gave a presentation on altars already, so I’m not going to focus on that too much. If

you’re comfortable, do do those survivors in the room, if if you feel comfortable, feel free to raise your

hands. Just want to see hello. Hi. Hi.

Okay. Three out of 14. [laughter]

Okay. Okay. Well, um, for those non-s survivors here, this can also hopefully

help you understand how to help survivors. And I think a lot of this applies to

anybody. The the sort of stuff I’m going to talk about could help anybody get grounded regardless of your life

circumstances. Um, so I hope this will be of benefit for allies and friends and the whole

community. Uh, I’ll just give a little intro to

myself. My story is very complex. Um, I’ve done about 30 interviews at this

point and I still feel like I’ve barely scratched the surface. So, I thought I would just introduce myself. A lot of

y’all are reading ahead of me. That’s fine. Um, I was initially born as a guy named Max McPeek and brought into

Rainbow Bridge, which was Monttoque as most people have heard about it in 1974.

I had multiple age regressions in that context and so my consciousness was moved to quite a few different places.

The zeta reticulence faked my death in the 80s um and brought me out of Montalk

under those pretenses. Um, however, that was only the beginning of the next phase of abuse, unfortunately

because I was moved into this body where I was born as Alan Andre into a bloodline luciferian family and it was

intended that I would be a handler myself, that I would be a programmer. So most of my abuse in this body was geared

towards making me into a programmer, making me work on others. And I became

really, really good at it. This is part of why I work as a deprogrammer today

because I was trained to be a programmer and I use that information for the opposite purpose

from which it was intended. So that’s part of my story in this body.

Um, but this body also has age regressions and multiple timelines. I’m for simplicity sake I’m just going to

leave that out for now because this is more about getting grounded. I got free from the cult and the

programs in 2003, assisted by the Antarians. These are eighth density

beings. These are my special friends. Um, often times they appear like praying

mantis beings. They’re benevolent mantis beings. Sometimes they also appear as do-headed humanoids. Speaking of dog

men, uh, Jessica’s not here, so she would love that. Um, but yeah, mantids

and dog people are generally the physical appearance of Ontarians, although they can take different forms

because they’re free from physical density. They were one of the main reasons that I

got free. They helped orchestrate my escape. And I also had a walk-in into this body who calls herself Asandra. So

that’s why we wanted to add the Andra to our name to represent her and all walk

together as an integrated being. Um Asandre is basically an ET as well

from the area of Cassiopia. Cassiopia Gam is the star where she’s from. Uh in

2017 we decided to change our name alto together to include everyone inside as

United Council. So sometimes we refer to ourselves as the council of Alandra and

to share our truth of interbeing. Um the label of interbeing actually came

from the Sasquatch. So uh thanks Sasquatch. Um yeah there are some really good

friends of mine and that’s how they usually refer to me as an interbeing. So I I took that from them and I I think

it’s an accurate label. So, uh, under the business name Entarian

Journeys, I’ve been helping other survivors heal since 2018. It’s been really good. Uh, I have a lot of

business. There are a lot of survivors. Um, and they basically have very few

places to go. You know, there are a few of us public survivors like myself to

name a few others. Anukica Lucas, Max Loen, Misha Johnston, who was here last year. She does hypnotherapy. Um, it’s

pretty much other survivors who are providing these critical services because the mainstream therapy

profession or the lamestream therapy profession, they don’t get training to deal with trauma- based mind control.

It’s just not part of their education, which is deeply unfortunate. Um, but of

course there’s a mass conspiracy, so stuff like that is going to be very hard to teach in an institutional context.

Anyway, this is me in a nutshell. So, I had this huge journey and now I help

people with their huge journeys and that’s uh that’s where I’m coming from. The first one is continued abuse or

program service in the present. We don’t even know that we’re still in the programs. It’s often unconscious.

that that’s extremely difficult. If you’re trying to go in and heal past trauma and get grounded, but every night

when you go to sleep, you’re getting abducted again and getting more trauma. That makes grounding really, really

hard. Accompanying that are memory blocks, denial, and various kinds of self-d

disbelief. So often when we get these memories in the first place, we don’t know what to

do with them or how to categorize them. That can’t be from this life. That must

be from a past life or a parallel life. I have visions of myself on a spaceship.

But oh, that must be my Padian ship in a different dimension. And you know,

that’s a more kind of a little bit more socially acceptable thing to have

happen. Um, but sadly, a lot of these things that come back, a lot of these

memories are from this body. Oh, this body was in a spaceship. non-consensually. Well, that changes

things. Um, another obvious thing that gets in the way of grounding are addictive

patterns with substances, sex, food, work, etc. Pretty much anything that

brings pleasure or numbs pain can become an addiction. So, this is just

universal. Um, the most obvious ones would be alcohol and drugs. Um, but I’m including

these other more normal things because they also play into it. Basically, every program survivor that I’ve ever worked

with has had some form of sex addiction. It just goes with being sex trafficked

as a young person. Um, and being in some very unhealthy attachment patterns to

say the least. Um, when you’re in the programs, you know, people are bonded through trauma, stress, fear. Positive

bonds that are consciously chosen are almost unheard of in a program context.

In a satanic context or a or a space program context, you don’t really get to choose your own relationships, even your

relationship to your own body. You really don’t get to choose very much about how you go about that

relationship. So, when we get free or when we’re still working to get free, most often we have

these addictions. Another big obvious one and part of the

reason we’re here is media and cultural censorship. You know, it’s very rare to

find people who can even believe us, much less support us. So that makes

grounding really hard. We are social beings. We want our reality to be shared with others. And this makes us very

lonely. It puts us in our own space at those very moments when we should be connecting to people the most, moments

when we really need others to be healing with because of the s censorship. It’s very hard to find them. And

unfortunately, our our family, our friends typically, like the vast

majority of the time, are hostile to our healing process, if not active handlers

themselves. So that makes grounding hard. [laughter]

If you’re still in contact with people who are handling you consciously or unconsciously, usually unconsciously,

then we have the next bullet point, obvious mental and physical illnesses.

So on the mental level, we’re usually dealing at least with CPTTSD, complex post-traumatic stress disorder,

if anybody doesn’t know that one. DID, dissociative identity disorder. That’s

what they used to call MPD, multiple personality disorder. When you’re split up into altars,

it can be diagnosed, that’s not funny, can be diagnosed in this way. Um, a

whole bunch of other mental mental illnesses are also created intentionally by our cult handlers. Um, I wanted to

bring up personality disorders specifically are often created. borderline personality disorder,

narcissistic personality disorder. These are extremely common in survivors. These

are intentionally created disorders. Um because partly because these are

organic reactions to trauma. And so what the cult and the space

program people do is they weaponize those organic reactions and they give

them more structure and they turn them against the person so that you wind up with this very deep very complex

personality disorder. It’s very hard to unravel on the physical level. We’re also

dealing with um pretty typically autoimmune disorders. Um for instance uh

chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, these are very common when you’ve been age regressed. It’s extremely hard on

the body and it creates these long-term chronic health issues which make it very

hard to get grounded again because if you haven’t noticed, our health system really sucks especially for chronic

issues. [laughter] Um and then you have vaccine injuries

so-called which everybody’s going through the entire culture. Um then some other things um the more existential

things temporal displacement age regressions and progressions. This is very hard stuff to wrap our minds

around. Most of us we just have one birthday

and and it’s a place where we can ground. It’s something we can safely identify with.

For an age regression or progression survivor, it’s you. It’s very hard to

ground in your own life story. You have memories that don’t even fit in with your linear sense of your own life.

That’s very ungrounding. Okay, just going to keep going to my bullet points. Um, spiritual bypassing

or intellectual bypassing of emotion. Okay, this is another one that’s a a mass culture problem. It’s not specific

to survivors, but it’s especially exaggerated in the

case of survivors because if we’re going to get into our feelings, they’re overwhelming. It’s very, very common for

us as survivors to be in a pattern of feeling absolutely every little thing,

being extremely hyper sensitive or and usually maybe on the same day, feeling

completely numb to everything, feeling no emotion. We have extreme relationships with our emotion and we

find ways to normalize that. Um, spiritual bypassing is one of the most obvious ways like, oh, I don’t feel my

feelings. I just breathe into my spiritual practice, whatever it is. Um,

and that can keep us going for years without actually getting into our more difficult emotions, including shame,

guilt, self-lame, martyr programming of various kinds. I’m not going to get into

every specific thing because I just want to talk in general about grounding. Um, but I think about these things every day

and um, I hope this will start also some more specific conversations.

Um, lastly on my bullet point list, I’m just putting material pressure, especially money and housing pressure.

So when we get out of the programs, we are betrayed by our family. We usually

have to disconnect from our family of origin. We usually have no resources. We’re usually broke and basically on our

own. And when you’re on your own in this capitalist system, it’s really, really

hard. It’s, you know, when an entry-level job, as they still call it,

does not provide actual sustenance for an adult person. So then you have normal wage slavery.

But in addition to that, our not only is our family hostile, but they’re often

attacking us and trying to steal from us. Uh, so we have outright theft. We

have financial and legal attacks. I know many survivors who are bound up in various lawsuits for no real reason.

It’s basically just another form of attack from the cult. They have pretty much infinite resources for infinite

lawyers and they apply a lot of pressure to survivors. So it can be just very

hard to ground just on a normal level, you know, just to pay rent and such can be very hard. So I wanted to name that.

On the positive side, what helps with grounding? The short answer is that anything that

helps a non-s survivor with grounding is probably going to help a survivor with grounding as well. So we are by no means

in an exclusive category. Um that said, I’ll go through some of the basic things

that we think about that I think about. The first one on my list is always a body mind awareness practice.

For example, meditation, yoga, breath work, martial arts, dance, sports,

anything to reclaim the body, get in the body. All dissociation is based on leaving the

body in some form. And all reassociation is based on getting back into the body.

So we want to reassociate not to disassociate. So the direction will be

into the body. Please and thank you. Uh next is any sort of self-expression,

journaling. I I put journaling, drawing, singing, self-expression and creativity

of all kinds, whether it’s related to the abuse or not. So, some of this is

going to be very helpful for getting to memories. Um, I have a lot of different clients

who like to uh paint pictures that have to do with their abuse or they make extended journal entries and they’ll

bring the journal entry into a session with me. Um, so obviously if it is

related to the abuse, that’s very very helpful for integrating memories. At the

same time, even when it’s not related to the abuse, just having that channel open

kind of makes you generally a more grounded person. It attracts more of your personality into your body. And

again, a lot of our host core personality was pushed out of the body. So anything we can do to bring our core

self our host self in did terms the host personalities

well has different meanings but generally considered the organic personality of the body mind. So your your birth personality we want to bring

that in and we want to dissolve all the false aspects of personality. So

self-expression is very useful for that. Next is obvious but also kind of

elusive. Getting into healthy routines with sleep, food, exercise, workflow,

etc. We were raised to be slave drivers to ourselves.

When we get free, we’re usually still in a slave mentality and we’re expecting ourselves to perform under absurdly

difficult circumstances just like we did when we were growing up or on the other

timelines or last night when we were abducted. Um, so it can be really hard to bring

into our daily life routine here on Earth, you know, good sleep rhythm, good food rhythm, exercise, workflow. I mean,

add anything you like to that list to get yourself into a healthy routine with

is always grounding. Another obvious one is to work regularly with healers, therapists, shamans, and

other healers that understand trauma. I I wanted to include they don’t have to

understand trauma- based mind control specifically. It does help, but if they

understand trauma, they understand trauma. I mean, anybody who’s traumainformed will have the capacity to be at least a

little bit helpful to you as a survivor. Obviously, it’s much much better if they

have the full mental picture and they know what trauma- based mind control is and how to work with it. But sadly,

people who know about these things are still in a in a strong minority. Um, I’ll just give an example for myself. I

had a lot of help from a craniosacral practitioner. And this woman did magic

with me. She helped me unload so much trauma. She usually had no awareness of

what I was releasing. She had no personal context for it at all. But it

was very, very helpful for me. It helped move a lot of stuff from my body. So I want to give that one example. I also

went through a a trauma treatment program um at a basically a domestic violence treatment center. A lot of

ritual abuse falls under domestic violence and that program was really useful to me. Um they still didn’t

understand ritual abuse but I got what I could from it.

Um, okay. Other things, cultivating healthy friendships, relationships, and community that feel nourishing and are

not recreating toxic dynamics from the abuse. This can be hard. I mean, we all

have to go through years and years of loneliness. um just as a necessary part

of healing. We have to completely recalibrate our system to understand what is a green flag, what is a red flag

because it’s all been mixed up very deep in our body mind. I’ll have another

slide on that towards the end about relationships. Um but um at first it can be really really

lonely and it can feel like a healthy friendship is not even a possible thing

but it is possible. Um, non-s survivor friends are especially helpful for this

because they do things kind of unconsciously that we never learn to do as survivors. So, it’s very helpful to

observe them, how they create bonds and build trust. Okay. Also, commitments, healthy

commitments, um, for example, to work, career, and personal projects that feel

nourishing and not like a new form of enslavement. This may include public disclosure work,

but it does not have to. So, if we go public, it’s great. As far as I’m

concerned, the more people that get up on this stage, the better. That’s that’s what I would like to see. Um, but we’re

all in different circumstances and we all have different personalities. Um, and so your work as a free person may or

may not have anything to do with trauma based mind control. if if you do no disclosure work at all, you’re still

healing as a survivor. Like you’re still doing your thing. It’s all valid. Um, so

I just want to say that if it feels like it’s bringing you life and not pushing you away from life, I know all this

stuff is so obvious, but it’s just nice to put into words so we can start to ground it into our reality. And it’s

easy to overlook when we’re dealing with such complex trauma, such complex reality. it’s hard to remember all this

basic stuff and to talk about it. So that’s why I wanted to talk about it.

Okay. Um I want to talk a little bit about how to identify with the trauma. Speaking of

um whether it’s part of your life as a social person, whether it’s part of your public life or not, we all have to go

through this identification issue and we all have to kind of set

boundaries for ourselves and decide what’s right for us to identify with,

what’s right for us to talk about and think about. I just want to point out some real basic things over and under

identification. So overidentifying um would be the first one. Normalizing

or glorifying SSP service or p privileged cult roles. Treating the life

up there as more real or important than this one. This is a really hard one. Um

because we put years and years, decades of our lives, our effort, our heart and

soul into our service as a soldier or sometimes in in satanic cults as a high

priest or a priestess. Like this is serious training. This is no joke. So I don’t want to um overlook that at all.

There’s serious discipline and serious commitment involved in these roles that we were in.

but it’s no more or less real than this life as a free person on earth. Um, so I

just want to point that out. That’s overidentifying. Underdifying would be

minimizing or avoiding the impact of your service on your life. For example,

who I am up there has nothing to do with me here. Trying to go back to who you

were before you were aware of the abuse. So whether you go public or not, you

have to be honest about what’s happening in your life. Um, and unfortunately our

culture makes it very, very easy to just slip out of awareness of the abuse and

act as if nothing happened. This is a really subtle trap that a lot of us have to go through as survivors. Um, and we

have to make a point of making time for this in our lives, even though it’s horrifically painful. When we make time

for that, we’re being true to ourselves. We’re enhancing our integrity. We’re being honest, and that brings us more

into the flow of life. So, we want to avoid underidentification as much as

overidentification. We all do both of these things to survive, and it’s common to do them at

the same time. This is part of the cognitive dissonance and mind control going on in the larger society. So

society at large for a moment has us as a morbid

fascination. Oh my god, this strange and frightening thing is happening or they

ignore us completely. So either we’re part of some freak show or we’re

invisible. Unfortunately, that’s just how the culture is at this time. So, it’s

important to be real about that. Um, and as much as we can to avoid internalizing

that in internalizing that extreme duality and to just be our own people

and to be aware that just to survive, we’re going to be overidentified with our trauma and we’re going to be

underidentified with it with it. All of us, this is a normal part of the healing process and we all go through waves

where it’s more or less important to whatever we’re dealing with in [music] our present life at this moment.

A sign of healthy identification is to accept your traumatic experiences as an important part of your life story

without them defining who you are today. So that last part is really important.

Um it’s not the only thing that you are. No identity is all of who we are, no matter

how deep it is. And people, you know, normal people do this all the time over and underidentify with things like some

people are so identified with their career they can’t talk about anything else. You know, they don’t know how to

actually invest in anything that’s not workrelated for instance. You know, that’s just a common thing in our

culture. It’s especially important for us as survivors to not be defined by these

things. The greater part of us is free from all of this. The greater part of us

is well beyond anything that happens on this 3D level. I think all of us in this room are aware of that. We’re aware of

the strong importance of everything above the 3D, below the 3D. This is just

one layer of infinite layers in the in the infinite plan of goddess. So I think

we all know that here. So I don’t have to belabor that point.

Uh I want to talk just for a moment and this can get a little triggering so please take care of yourselves if you

need to. Um just talk a little bit about hostile alters dissociative identity

disorder systems. So [music] this is an extreme form of over or under

identification. This gets more personal for survivors. Um, so we’re just going

to have a little bit of triggering material here and then after this we’re going to go back to kind of more general

things. Um, so within our alter system, some altars or aspects of us are still loyal

to our abusers and will repeat propaganda or mind control as their own beliefs. These tend to bully other

altars and may be introjects. That means they’re internalized versions of perpetrators.

So a lot of us have an inner version like normal people um normal no one’s

normal per se but non-s survivors have introjects as well when you can hear

let’s for instance your mother or your father you can hear their opinion about little things and you’re not looking for

their opinion but it’s in there and you’re hearing it. So the same thing happens in a more extreme way with

traumab based mind control survivors. We can have internalized versions of perpetrators and they can say a lot of

the same vicious things that they said during moments of horrific abuse and so they can retraumatize us from the

inside. This is very problematic. Just something I wanted to name because

not all altars in our system are going to actually be us. Not all altars are

created from the material of our own mind. Some are created from other material. It’s very important to

disidentify with those. So th this is more complex and if you’re dealing with

this sort of stuff, I would definitely want to do maybe a private session or maybe you want to see another

practitioner. It’s very hard to work with on your own. Uh more submissive alters I others will

do anything to hide andor forget the abuse believing that their life still depends on that. Victimized altars are

usually in a dialectic with cult loyal altars. So

we have internalized versions of perpetrators. We have internalized versions of ourselves as a victim. And

these are kind of in a dialectic that can be very hard to break. I mean realistically if you’re at the point of

working this way, you’re kind of already through the hardest part. You’re you’re on your way to healing already. So, um,

maybe I don’t want to get too deep into this, but, uh, yeah, I can talk about that more with people if they’re interested.

I’m going to go to the next one. Yes. So, I think it’s important to use honest language, to use accurate language. Um,

and to to be real about what’s happening, which is dehumanization. It’s easy to forget at a conference like

this that we’re talking about trauma so extreme basically none of us can stay

present for it emotionally. It’s it’s pretty much impossible. And that’s part of how these things stay secret because

it’s so hard to stay present with them. If we’re honest about that, it helps us.

Acknowledging that our basic human rights were not respected during our service helps us to integrate our

experiences. It’s crucial to define our own personal values and to differentiate them from

the antihuman sociopathic values of our perpetrators. So, this cannot be

repeated enough. These abusers have an antihuman value

system which can never be brought out into the open. As soon as it’s out in the open, you can see and feel how

ridiculous it is, how nobody would ever want to consciously avow such values. So

the more we can bring these values out into the open, the more we can work with them and we

can emphasize what we want. I mean, and we don’t have

to look hard for human values. They’re expressed everywhere. Even a satanic institution like the United Nations has

a universal declaration of human rights. And it’s great. It’s something we should

all be thinking about. I mean, obviously they don’t live up to their own word, but the words are important. Like the

words that people use, the values that they say they hold,

those are the values that we actually hold. And it’s important to differentiate ourselves from those who

are just paying lip service to them. Don’t be afraid to use extreme language

to describe extreme experiences. We are entitled to use direct terms

including enslavement, torture, human trafficking, gangstalking, humiliation,

rape, ritual abuse, MK Ultra, and more.

Do you feel how the temperature in the room went up just slightly just from using that language? Like it makes

things much more real. Especially for non-s survivors who don’t have a context for these kinds of experiences. Like

when you say secret space program, they’re like, „Oh, okay. Whoop. Just goes right by.“ But if you say rape, oh,

rape is bad. That’s a serious thing. You actually get their attention. They start being actually present with you. So,

this is a very empowering tool to use as a survivor dealing with non-s survivors.

When you use the simpler and more graphic language, it really, really helps for people to understand what’s

actually going on in a trauma- based mind control.

When you act, speak, and think from your own common sense, it helps others do the same and moves us all towards a more

love-based humane culture. That should go without saying, but I’m

saying it. Be mindful of language that whitewashes trauma and violence, for example,

experimentation or time travel. We are human beings, not sci-fi characters. So,

anything you can do to humanize the experience, to communicate the experience to non-s survivors,

especially to loved ones where you really want that support and that validation. It’s important to use

language that’s going to land and that will communicate the seriousness of the trauma.

So, that’s a nice thing to do for grounding because if you just say if you just use, you know, language that’s

going to make sense to other survivors, um you’re probably not going to get the sort of emotional support that you’re

looking for. You’re not crazy. The abuse is crazy.

[laughter] This is a big theme in my work. Um, I often like to say that I I I wave a

you’re not crazy wand. You’re not crazy. You’re not crazy. I can’t say it enough.

You, as the experiencer, are not the crazy thing. The crazy thing is the

intensely organized abuse, the scale of the abuse. One of the most difficult tasks in

healing trauma- based mind control is to recognize that the abuse actually happened. It is real with memories or

without. Even if you don’t have conscious memories, you’re going to have body memories. You’re going to have

indications that something is up. And that’s basically those are the

breadcrumbs that we’re following as survivors. This is how we get to a more full healing by following those

breadcrumbs. The existential and metaphysical nature of the abuse makes it difficult to

address within consensus reality. I kind of said this already, but most

people just have no conception that reality can be manipulated in such ways as these. Like, what? You were moved

into a clone body? Hang on. It’s easy to lose people that way. Um,

but it’s important to be true to the experience because it does bring new spiritual potentials into the collective

field. When we acknowledge these experiences in a grounded way, it brings

new potentials alive for all human beings, not just for survivors, but for all of us. What is consciousness? If

consciousness can be moved into a clone body, maybe it’s not what we thought it was, etc., etc. And so this does kind of

move into metaphysical conversations which are hard enough for most people without trauma present.

Uh billions of US dollars are spent on each SSP slave. The material resources

of every country in the world are going into abuse while resources for healing are scarce. To put it mildly, the cards

are stacked against us. The distribution of resources is crazy. You’re not crazy.

This military-industrial complex and economic setup is crazy. That’s the truly crazy thing. It’s not you. So,

just so you know, I’m going to say that over and over. The sheer scale of the abuse makes it

difficult to have a grounded conversation about it. This is one version of too big to fail, which is

what they said about the big satanic corporations. Oh, they can’t go bankrupt. They’re too integral to the

mind control system. We have to prop them up and keep the mind control going. You all know this, so I don’t really

have to say it here, but it’s nice again to state the obvious. Just wanted to

have a brief word um as an as a an end note about personal connections,

balanced personal connections. So, uh as I was saying, we are social

beings. We want our reality validated. We want to share our experience with others. So, we always want connections.

Look for healthy connections regardless of where they appear. Sometimes people who don’t understand your story can be

helpful and supportive anyway. Just like I was saying with therapists, there are some therapists who have no context for

trauma- based mind control, but they’re trauma informed and they might be able to help you with something. It’s the

same way with friends or acquaintances or work relationships. Any sort of healthy connection gets you grounded on

this plane of reality in this experience. By the same token, don’t ignore toxic

traits in others because they are conspiracyaware. Some people who do understand your story

can be extremely bad influences. We all know it. We’ve got toxic people

in this community. A lot of them are very obvious. This is a normal part of being a human being.

It’s really important to keep yourself healthy. Basically, uh well, this goes

into the next one. It’s ideal to find people uh people people, excuse me. It’s

ideal to find people people who understand the abuse and are also emotionally healthy. But this will be

rare. When you have to choose one over the other, choose what’s healthy for you. Choose what’s healthy for you.

That’s going to be the best thing to do. Above all else, become the friend you

would most want to have. This draws those qualities into your life. Most of

us are familiar with that spiritual principle. Embody that which you wish to see in the world. It really works for

relationships. The more you become a safe person, the more you attract safe

people. Which is part of why it’s so hard for survivors at first because when we get when we get get out get out of

the cults, get out of the programs, we are not safe people [laughter] and we

are going to attract people that are not safe. That’s a normal part of getting free. We have to move through that and

better ourselves. And the more that we have the qualities that we’re looking for in ourselves, the more we will have

them in others. Yes. Um those are my

slides. So, I’m going to I’m going to wind up here pretty much. Um, I’ll be available for questions. I think there’s

a little bit of time. Um, I know that again this is super basic, but we’re just working with the time and working

with a lot of non-s survivors. Um, I’m just going to display my information here. So, um, this is Mount Shasta with

a little bit of a weird filter. Um, my business again is called Antarian

Journeys because I work with the eighth density on beings. They usually come through in my sessions to work with

people. So, it’s Antarian Journeys coaching. Antarianjourneys.com.

I host guided meditation and healing groups online and in Mount Shasta, California. Some of you were at my

guided meditation yesterday um on the solar stage. So, that’s basically what I

do every week. Um, you can drop in over Zoom or you can always drop in if you

happen to be in uh Northern California. And I do one-on-one sessions for

deprogramming andor spiritual development. They’re very very closely

related pursuits, so they flow together. If anybody wants to reach me or join a

meditation group, you can just write to the email on the screen. alandre riseup.net.

Um, yeah. And thank you. Thank you so very much.