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04.03.2023

Vorwort: RAUM ERSCHAFFT UNS, indem wir in ihn einsinken als Werdeknospe, Werde-Essenz.

Dann beginnen wir uns in Raum aufzufalten; dieser Tropfen bildet eine Gestalt aus, entwirft sich IN DIESEN RAUM.. und würde das in einen anderen Raum anders tun. „Wir“ sind also eigentlich das Zwischengewebe zwischen unserem herrlichen Alleins-Tropfen und dem Raum als erstem Anrührenden und letztem Halt.. auch. Raum ist unsere tiefste „Liebe“. Weiß ich das, kann ich alles andere DARAUS frei lieben. Und einzig das hat Ehre.

Denn dann liebe ich raumwahr, und nicht in Verstrickungen aller Bandltänz‘ da, in welche manche hineinziehen, in welchen andere angekettet stolpern und so weiter. Was auch immer „geschieht“, ich ehre, schätze.. oder auch liebe: WESENSWAHR, also gemeinsam mit dem Raum ein Wesen, so wie sein Raumwert — also nicht das Bewegte, sondern die Essenz UND DAMIT das Zukunftende — ist. (Viel zu oft finden wir diese Hock- und Würguterus“lieben“; oder auch die Verachtungsdressuren à la Jesus Christus: „du liebst, wenn du dich völlig mißbrauchen läßt“. Wir haben etliches an Denkruinen endlich zu entsorgen, und in uns ist es verwachen, oft mit unseren zartesten Herzhüllenkreisläufen.) Und das ist wunderschön.  Wenn man das einmal erlebt hat, bleibt man dabei .. freie Liebevollheit ist nährend gut.

PUNKT EINS!

Und schon damit.. stehe ich allein auf weiter Flur. 

Und kann auch zusehen, wie ihr der Karotte oder jenem Gekreuzigten oder dieser Wissenschaftstheorie nachrennt.

IHR SEID FREI, eure Leben und die aller mit euch Herzensbande Hegenden zuzumüllen!

NUR WER DAS NICHT MEHR WILL, KANN IN DENSELBEM RÄUMEN —- in denselben Räumen! — frei leben, genausogut.

Und das tun auch etliche Menschen, welche schlicht kein Weltbild mitmalen.

EIN EIGENES WAHRES RAUMKENNEN braucht man nicht völlig, es macht vollendet glücklich in 1 Lebenszeit 1 Raum handlungswahr zu entsprechen und darin zu reifen- wie Raum in Räume umströmt ist dann der nächste Gewahrlebensschritt.

WEN MEHR INTERESSIERT,

der ist auf dem Weg, Raumwahrender zu werden.

Das führt in ein ganz anderes Wissensgebiet, und in einer viel tiefere Freiheit auch, in jedem Moment. Es ist das Arbeit, und das muß man mögen. Denn ohne geht es auch.

Wahr ist es unsinnig, glücklich sein zu wollen, GEGEN das Unglück anderer. Wir haben unterschiedliche Wirzugehörigkeitsradien. UND JEDER IST WAHRfühlend mitzuspannen/gewölben. Alles andere ist NICHT Erdenatur, darum nicht menschennatürlich.

 

Und in diesen Zeiten wird endlich ET = Erdeunwahrdenken-Einfluß und deren Handlungen ohne Erdeeinklang, und unsere Mischhandlungen damit, LANGSAM LANGSAM wieder ausgeschwitzt. Wir wohnen unsere individuellen und unsere diversen gemeinschaftlichen – wozu auch jene mit andren Wesenswelten gehören, je nach Landschaft — endlich wieder zurück.  Das heißt, wir übernehmen langsam wieder für unseren Wesengesamtraum UND DESSEN SCHÖPFUNGEN, oder Abfälle in den Raum (mit uns resonant..), wieder Raumwahrungsverantwortung. modestamente, bp

Was wir tun – oder Erdedichteunfähige —  befindet sich dann vieldimensional – wie wir Erschaffende – IM RAUM! Und muß gewandelt werden, nun Raumvorstoff ebenfalls.

Wird auch von allen „Dazukommenden“ miteingetrunken. Raum ist unendlichdimensional.. da einfach laufend ùmströmend. Raum hat gewaltige Organe auch. Man darf sich das als alleinklanglich fließende Strukturen vorstellen, welche werden und entwerden mit unbergrenzten Werdezwischenstadien, teils wesengeformten, teils wesenverbrauchten, teils unendlich weitschwingend frischen, welche dann von Wesen kleingebrochen werden werden, für deren Lebens- und Raummitwerdebedarf und Wohlgefühl.

Raum ist ein Haltemedium, ein Beínhaltungsgewebe.. NICHTS: ist einfach futsch und weg. Und Raumgewebe können eigenschöpferisch losschnellen!! Das kann dir reinfahren, daß du wankst, was im Raum gelagert sein kann. Aber sehr ernstlich! Man KANN sich im Raum wie ein Emotionalmaschienengewehrhendl spielen, E-Motionen ausschleudernd, dahin-onanierend irgendwelche Weltbildvorlagen entlang: das zieht aber alle anderen in Mitleidenschaft. Denn deine Ausdrüsungen sind dann da, und nur sie wandelnd, bleiben sie nicht dieses klebrig Widerwärtige, als die su sie erschufst (um dir gut vorzukommen, um um um: immer fehler Hüllenkörpergebrauch. Das ergibt diese hochexplosiven Giftgefühlemassen, die wir dann wieder in uns aufnehmen über den Raum AUS DEM RAUM, in den du sie gespien hast… und uns immer weniger auskennen/zurechtfinden können, da das ja dann tertiär bis endlos losgelöst ist. Also DA braucht es festes Stehen und unermüdbares Verstehen, Willigkeit, meisterliche). UND WENN NIEMAND DAS FENSTER ZU ÖFFNEN VERSTEHT, also den Raum erneut strukturen∿zu〰fluten und mit ungebrochenen, nicht zerkleinerten Wellen – das macht in der Regel die Natur, aber hier sind so Verbiesterte, daß die die Natur totpracken auch noch dafür.. damit nur ihr Kubuskoffergerumple mehr da 

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Raumverbrechern die Leviten zu lesen ist einfach.

 

Sie aber zu Raumliebenden und zu Raumverstehenden und zu Raumlauschenden zu erziehen…  boooh.. lieber leiden die Leut‘ an ihren Hirnen, statt sie zu lüften. Und da haben sie auch kein Erbarmen mit anderen. Kurztaktik halt… ticketacketicketacke.

 

Solange ihr euch nicht von dem Annnaki-Werbeträgerboy Christus zu verabschieden schafft, BLEIBT: „Deine erste Tochter habe ich zu ruiniervermaschen genossen. Nun halte mir deine zweite hin!“

DER REDET GOTT AUS UNS HINAUS… und ihr redet von Liebeswonnen, wenn „dieses ach so unsäglich lichte Wesen“ mit euch kommuniziert? ENTEHREND UNS auf Erbsünder, damit dieser Hirngrillkrapfen UNSER GOTT sein kann?

Euch hat’s.

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The truths about the Cabal programming will all come out.

• God, I hope so

 

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Yes, but only if we have the courage to take that first step. I’ve waited so long for someone else to do it, and realized it has to begin with me.

Thank you for being willing to go there. It means a lot. It’s not easy to stick your neck out with an opinion on what is probably the most sensitive issue on the planet right now.

• I agree that it is probably the most sensitive issue on the planet right now
• That seems to be what I signed up for this lifetime. I guess none of us took the easy way.

 

 

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Perhaps, the solar event will wipe out the negative programming these unfortunate souls received. Wipe the slate clean, so to speak. One can only hope.

• But that’s missing the point, unless the solar event also wakes up the general public so they understand what the programming was in the first place. Otherwise we will have a witch hunt on our hands. That is what I am so concerned to prevent.

 

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Thank you Lisa for explaining all of this 💜

It is very important information. Thank you for your courage and your strength for speaking up about this 🙏🏻

The depth of that mind control is unbelievable…. May I ask: if the alter isn’t aware, then they wouldn’t understand why they were punished/executed? So when we hear of all these people claiming they are not guilty at their tribunal- some of them might actually believe that?

• It’s a chance, I couldn’t say without knowing the person’s whole history, which there is a detailed record of if they have been involved in the cult their whole lives. Their handlers would know which of their alters had how much awareness. I would guess that an internationally known monster like Hillary Clinton was fully aware and responsible, but that does not necessarily hold true as we go down the hierarchy.
  I’ve read some of those statements from RRN too, and wondered. They read like psychopaths with no redemption possible, but I just cannot be sure. This is where my proposal is that the same technology be used that we are told will read our field for the QFS, be used for this.
  The thing is, the White Hats began by clearing out the DUMBs and arresting the worst and highest-up in the cabal, and that’s an understandable strategy. Meanwhile the truthers have focused on getting the word out about the worst crimes and the adrenochrome.
  What I’m not seeing is any of the truthers speaking up explaining how the mind control works in generational cults, especially the fact that there is no delineation between victims and perpetrators. This could turn into a witch hunt if the general public becomes aware of one and not the other. When the horrors committed by the cabal become dinner-table conversation and a person who is caught in one of those cults does not dare say „I’m caught in one and need help“ because since earliest childhood they’ve been made to feel like a perpetrator, and now people are all gung ho to eradicate the cult but don’t understand the distinction. It’s going to be a nightmare unless we raise awareness.
• By you speaking up now this is coming to our attention. I hadn’t seen it like this. Thank you again 🙏🏻
• Thank you very much. If you possibly can, tell more people. They need to know.
• i agree and thank you for sharing.
  I cannot fathom how difficult that must have been for you! 
• Wow Lisa! I’ve been reading the information you posted. I’m on page 60 something of the over 500 pages. So much information needs to become known. Thanks for getting us started in understanding the horrific complexity of SRA and MKAultra mind control. Truly mind blowing, makes my soul cry. I plan to read the whole thing, but like Q said: „the end won’t be for everybody“ (paraphrased)
• Thank you, Lorie, for doing that. It’s quite a project. But you will know so much more, and be able to help others understand. I salute you for that.
• Thank you, Allison, for your kind words, and for reading what I wrote. It actually wasn’t writing it that was so hard, it’s what I am going through now. I knew that would happen, and I will get through it.

 

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God knows your heart.

 

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God does, but do the angry mobs who might be incited into a witch hunt once truth comes out? Or the judge who is going to say „convicted and sentenced to hang by the neck until dead“ but who has no understanding of how little choice the person in front of them really had? That’s what I can see if we don’t get the word out.

 

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So, forgiveness and reconciliation, along with deprogramming and re-integration. The Lord’s Prayer is asking us to forgive our enemies, as we are forgiven. And Jesus himself  said, „Forgive them Father for they do not know what they do.“ Yes, all of that was asked of us. But where do you draw the line? Is genocide justifiable if the persons perpetrating the crime have been brainwashed? I agree that people should not take the law into their own hands and that is why Q said „Military is the only way“. But there has to be justice for the adults for the healing process of the collective to occur. One can only hope that the children/adolescents can be taken off planet to be healed or the viscious cycle would repeat itself.

• I strongly disagree. And I’m not sure you actually took in any of what I said.You draw the line where the person was given the chance to become fully aware, in all their alters, and having said yes to that, chose to do evil. You do not draw the line by prosecuting even adults who had no more choice than the children they once were. That is not justice. You offer the chance for those people to heal.This is not a vicious cycle like the cycle of abuse that does not include mind control. These are not people choosing their actions.If that is how it is going to be, as you say, I want off this planet along with those children. This is not a society I want anything to do with. If Q has made this huge omission, I am done with Q.

 

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One of the final advances in human consciousness will be the moment when we are capable of forgiving those who were programmed to the point of their soul utterly detaching from the body or getting fragmented into slivers. Such that „nobody’s home“ for those people.

I think that when the forgiveness is possible from a mass consciousness standpoint, the healing needed for those people will arrive. Because we will have manifested it in a moment of comprehension and compassion.

I think such is possible for us as a species when we remember our own lifetimes where we did horrible things. It’ll be easier to comprehend.

• Yes… how do you see that happening? Will the solar flash, if it’s a real thing, accomplish that? Do you think it is impossible, even with education, otherwise?
  Truly, if it is, I want nothing to do with this world. I want to get off it along with the children who chose Venus instead. 
• I think the solar flash (or wave or whatever it is we’re in) will help, because more and more of us are starting to remember ourselves from a larger perspective. If we can remember that we’ve done some really awful things in our soul’s lifetimes and forgive ourselves for that, then that will go a long way towards forgiving others. Because we’ll understand that those severely negative experiences and lives helped make us who we are today.I don’t think this is something that can simply be educated into people. It’s a realization that must come from within the self. It’s a very deep, fundamental realization. If there’s anything to be educated or practiced as part of this, it’s learning to forgive oneself. Doing that, opens the door for forgiving others and wishing to heal them vs just outright punish them.Not everyone will realize this. But then, not everyone is going to stay on Earth for ascension. Many who wouldn’t be capable of such a realization (for various reasons) are not going to be here in the long-term. They’ll learn an awful lot in the process, though. Maybe next life they’ll find that realization, and this time is a giant step in their evolution towards that.
• From the variety of responses, I think there is some of both.I get the sense you are very in touch with some past lives and have mastered a lot of lessons. True patience with all aspects of the human experience comes from that, and I recognize it in you.I don’t think I’m going into 5D anytime soon. 4D, maybe. I am still too riddled with anger and trauma and guilt. But, being a voice, living an example if I can, and making room for people like myself in the world we are building, are what I came here to do. I know that like I know the back of my hand.

 

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I agree. Contrary to the physical experience of outrage and need to retaliate I might have expected to feel after years of deep state organized gang stalking, my transcendent soul emerges in my sorrow for those who have been raised involuntarily to conduct these evils. My hope is that if the advanced alliance can wash the minds of the little ones of their memories of torture, as has been reported, that they can deprogram the cabal children/MK Ultra victims as well, even when they become adults. Or perhaps those programmed to harm will not come with us to the next level.

• Thank you, Roberta.
  I’m sure there are ways to help survivors of all ages. I’m not convinced that memory wiping is the best way, though. It’s more of an energetic work that needs to happen. Most survivors will tell you that remembering the trauma is not the hardest part of healing, by a long shot. That is my experience too. The hardest part is the pain we live with, a pain incomprehensible to most. It’s agony, as if everyone you ever loved has just died, and you are being blamed for it, and every cell in your body is on fire. And it goes on day after day, year after year, while you are expected to carry on as normal. That is something like the pain a ritual abuse survivor lives with, and that is what needs healing.

 

 

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Thank you Lisa for writing this post.
I read it completely and appreciate just how difficult it must have been for you to write.
Please keep educating us, those who do not share same experiences need to understand. Each of us have our own journey.
We cannot paint people with broad strokes, we all have had experiences that create our world and help us survive.
I’ve listen to Cathy’s o’brien experiences,  as she bravely shares the life she had in that mk world.
I resonated with what she said about once she had the „awareness “ she was responsible going forward. That’s how I see it.
Sending you a big huge hug brave lady, this needed to be said.💜💜💜💜

• Yes, Cathy O’Brien did make that point, I remember it well.
  It actually wasn’t writing what I wrote that was so hard. It’s how badly I knew I’d be triggered by some of the reactions I expected, and I predicted that correctly. It’s been a mix, some understanding, some not. It’s just that those that don’t, trigger a whole lifetime of trying to make my way in a world that has no clue of my reality, and then knowing that millions more are in the same boat.
• Well I think you are very brave, and like others have said you are the person who can educate us. Im sorry that doing so will take such a toll on you and I don’t pretend to u derstand where it will take you.
  But I’ve been that brave person in my own personal circumstances and took one for the team in many ways many times.  Without a doubt reliving things does not feel good. Unless someone lives that, its hard to understand. Again thank you for doing what you are doing but know you are important too and your well being is just as important as anyone elses.
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• Thank you, Pam. And whatever it was you had to be brave for, thank you for doing that too.

 

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Lisa, I agree with your statement “ Surely the same technology that will read our fields and ascertain our intent for the quantum financial system can also tell the difference between a person who with full awareness chooses evil and one who is caught in it because of mind control, and it needs to be safe for people to come forward and ask for help.“  I could not have worded it as well as you have but you have captured my thoughts on this.
What you have written is so important for everyone to be aware of – it reminds me of the saying „walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before you judge them“.
Your honesty and willingness to share is very much appreciated by me and I am sure many others on this site.  You are definitely making a difference.
(PS I can see no reason why this post would ever get you removed from this site – this post is, for me, what this site is all about)

• Because I listened to the World News from last night and this post stemmed from being triggered by what Janine said, which showed not understanding how this works, and I am emphatically disagreeing with something she said was a closed case, non-negotiable. 
• Okay, I haven’t watched it yet, but now I understand why you said that.
• If I misunderstood, I’d appreciate if you would tell me. It’s kind of a huge deal for me.
• I plan to watch it tomorrow and will get back to you.
• Thanks Donna. And I did see your post on the other thread, but today am wiped out. I will get back to you on that tomorrow as well.
• There is no rush to respond.  Take time for you first.

 

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Lisa, it feels to me that this may be your purpose in this lifetime, right now, to bring these things to the light and to educate and enlighten, from one who has the life experience and ability to help people widen their views and really examine the complexities involved here.  I know I have no idea, but I think it’s important to have people like you out there to help the people understand how this works.  How do we show compassion for these children who had no control over this horror in their lives?  I do, however, 100% agree that as an adult with full awareness, it is intent.  And God will judge based on that intent.  Judgement is the Lord’s.

• I have a clarifying question, because I see you still making a distinction between children and adults, and what I’m trying to convey is that that distinction does not hold true in most cases. Am I making that point clearly enough? I’m not sure how else to say it, but if I’m not, I have to keep trying.
  I already know this is my purpose in life.:-)
• Yes Lisa, you seem to understand your purpose here and now…I commend you with this because you will make a difference. You must! It’s your purpose to do so.
  I am so sorry and can read your torment and anguish of things past, present and yet to come. We will be judged thru a frequency, a Quantum scanning, in my opinion, (don’t know how else to define it) and it will understand your vibration. I’m sure this scares the hell out of you, but I say… no way! You were innocent, and your innocence was stolen from you. You were raped of everything good, kind and pure. Pray because these are the prayers that are being answered right now… you better believe it. All angels are called to our side. You invite them in. No innocence that has been stolen, manupulated, tortured and abused would ever have that ungodly dimension continue! It’s over! It’s done! Trust the Plan!
• Thank you, I will do that. That’s more or less the idea I had, but didn’t know whether it had already been thought of.

 

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If anyone has healing energy they can send me, I could use some. I am really going through hell right now. Not because of writing it, but because of being a lone voice in a very bleak wilderness. 

• Yes, Lisa, I can do that for you long distance. I’m a Reiki practitioner and also work with other modalities. What time zone are you in? Also, what is it that you need most help with, i.e. mental, emotional, physical or spiritual? Let me know, please. Because there needs to be some kind of energy exchange, donate what you can to your favorite charity. 
• Sending you all the healing energy I can Lisa.
• I’m happy to 🥰 it’s on its way 🥰🙏🏻
• I am going to say no to that, thank you but I do not want healing energy from you.
• Thank you very much Donna.
• Thank you very much, Pernille.
• I am also sending healing energy and saying prayers, Lisa. I am sure you are aware that you are one of the first whistleblowers in this area. Sometimes that is enough to motivate others to come forward. Education and truth is crucial. I have a feeling the Alliance is already aware of this. 
• You got it💜💜💜💜 on its way!
• Visualize growing larger and larger in size, then putting your wings out large to the sides. Fill yourself with the download of God. You are NOT alone. Lots of us have experiences no one wants to hear or believe.
• I will send you an abundance of healing. I’m going to think on it tonight and come up with a special meditation I will do for your strength. 
• Many thanks, everyone. I could see an image of different parts of my brain sort of being sewn together, and then was able to sleep.
  Please don’t anyone deplete yourself for my sake though. We all have lots we are dealing with.
• Thank you, and I am sorry for your experiences that no one wants to hear or believe
• sending you light and love and reiki healing energy, washing over you like a warm summer breeze. I have a clearng practice I do in the shower. As I stand under the water I state (intend) „As this water cleans my physical body, the energy of the water cleanses my etheric body, washing away all negative energies, entities and thought forms.  I emerge clean, clear and protected.‘ I can’t remember where I got this from, but it works for me when I feel ‚the oogies‘ polluting my energy field.  👐🙏
• I plead the blood of Jesus over you Lisa, to heal and protect you from the top of your head to your toes.  You are most precious and very loved!  🌸🌻🌷
• Can you really not see that Lisa’s contribution to the awakening of humanity, by sharing her own unimaginably difficult life experience, is already more than enough payment or energy exchange? This woman is an absolute hero. To go through so much trauma and then transmute all of her own suffering and all the suffering she witnessed and was forced to be a part of, into something that benefits humanity, means that she has already contributed more than most people will in their entire lifetime. Her courage and willingness to put herself in a vulnerable position in order to enable others to grow in compassion and understanding is phenomenal.
  I really hope that you will be able to heal yourself enough to understand the true intent of the “energy exchange” thing, as it seems to me that you have not yet fully understood this aspect of your chosen healing modality.

 

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Thank you so much for typing all of that.  I’ve been wanting to open people’s eyes to the innocents being misjudged, but I guess it was your job, because I couldn’t find the words.

• Wow… I’m kind of at a loss for words. You get it. I… well, thank you.
• You’re welcome.  And remember, no matter how alone you are, there is always One who loves you. 😊🥰🌞
• Yes, the thing is it can be hard to really know that as a survivor of a cult that tries their utmost to teach you that God hates you. But I try.
• You are not alone in that feeling, either.  I’ve met plenty of people who thought that they were not worthy and could not be loved.  I think there must be subliminal messaging everywhere.

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Also, there are adults who were approached when their influence got big enough to be noticed.  They were given horrific choices, as well.  Such as – Commit this crime while we film it or your whole family will die.  People in the film and music industries are the most obvious victims.

• Interesting, I need to think more about that. I purposely did not include movie stars because I thought it was more like they were given the choice as adults of their career ending, or selling their soul to Satan for it to continue. In that case, I’d say they are responsible. I did not realize that sometimes there is no choice. If you have any links, I’d like to have a look.
• I sent you an email – from __@yahoo
• Glad you told me, because it went to my spam folder!

 

 

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I’m 100 pages into this… its incredible!!

• Again… speechless. Thank you.

 

 

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THANK YOU FOR THAT POST LISA!!!!❤❤❤ My heart and soul support this discussion absolutely. We, ordinary citizens, really have no idea how complicated this is. Many have started to learn but unfortunately yes, we see people default to the ego based wanting vengeance. And IT IS NOT THAT BLACK AND WHITE as you so eloquently said.
First please know that my heart and eyes are filled with tears as I type this. Please know if I could I would hug you with permission. Please know that I stand with you. I am sending you blessings of healing strength and ❤
I also remember Janine was very eloquent in discussing this some time back. That those who were subjected to this life may be sent for healing rather than the punishment we „think“ they should have. That it isn’t black and white. And the WHs have a more measured hand and compassion for the situation. So that we need to not want our vengeance satiated but that we should embrace the highest good solution for the person. I remember it so well.
Thank you so very very much for your post! Your heart and soul shine thru. You should have support and compassion. Blessings to you my friend. I cannot fathom what you endured. You’re a warrior of light healing and truth

• Thank you so much Willow, for your understanding, kindness, and compassion. Yes, I can feel your support over the miles.
• Yes, Willow I remember Janine saying this too.- Will have to re-watch the world news again to see what triggered Lisa.  Lisa, Bless you and thank you for your post, helped me get more perspective.

 

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Thank you Lisa, this was very brave! God loves you and you better the world by being in it! 

• Thank you, Brit.

 

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The children will be healed, minds wiped.

• Thank you, Francis. This must be true. 
• I’m truly not sure this is the best choice. I would like to hear from whoever is making that decision what their reasons are.
  But what do you see happening to the adults?

 

 

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Thank you Lisa. I hear you. Thank you ❤️ 

• Thank you Ella. 🙂

 

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I was thinking some more about the implications of a blanket policy to execute anyone who as an adult participated in heinous crimes under mind control.
If that had been in place all along, either I would have grown up as an orphan, or would never have been born at all.
And I think of myself as a five-year-old, around when the abuse was worst, and imagine being told my parents were going to be executed, I would have been devastated and also felt I was to blame. It would have ruined me.
If only they had been given, instead, a chance at healing and rehabilitation, to stop what they were doing and become good parents. My life would have been so different. Of course, I would not be here today talking with all of you, but that’s because there would have been no need.
Now think about millions of children today in the same situation. That’s what we are talking about if we say the adults were responsible even if they weren’t, and have to be removed from the earth plane for the good of society. No. Just no.

 

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Thank you Lisa for being so brave and strong sharing so much of your too often hurtful painful life. You’re posts show you’re doing a lot of successful internal healing, I’m sending you even more strength now!!!!💪💕 You’re definitely the right person to helping others to begin the journey to understanding of as many aspects as possible.🙏💖
When others -family, friends, carers etc. -understand the origin they can understand the trigger responses thereby not adding to pain brought on by the trigger.
I am saving this will be reading all 500+ pages. I know there’ll be situations I encountered in my work after reading all this that will make more sense as to some behaviours, and will show I’ve been guilty of some awful triggering too. Actually the more truth that’s coming out the more I understand many past situations.
Keep going Lisa, you’re doing a great job!!!!

• I can’t find the post where someone commented that all this is new to people because I am breaking new ground with this information. That is almost true. I know only one other talking about it in any detail: Wendy Hoffman. It’s hell for her as well, undoubtedly worse than it is for me because she was unable to get away from the cult she grew up in. Well into her seventies they followed her wherever she went, kidnapping and reprogramming her and forcing her to do all kinds of things. Her most recent book is available as a free download. She remembers things in it that happened as late as 2017.
  https://survivorship.org/books-and-posters-for-sale-by-survivors/

 

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Everyone deserves a chance that has good intentions.
I’m so sorry you went through what you went through and glad you are here now to tell this perspective bc god knows Idk what to do, I’m just really upset and disgusted by the things I’ve learned about this and want to end it all. Never thought about it like this. 

• there have been those who gave up their lives to leave the life (with a fake death). apparently their strong soul knew they had to get out…. there are unfortunately too many who do the sordid deeds over and over and laugh about it.. at one point does one say enough.. there has to be some value in those tortured and killed mercilessly.. how about if it was your child… pence was said to have killed a minimal 84 up to over 150 children… justice in this case to me is not severe enough.. when you sign on the dotted line for money/greed.. its over the edge for me..one child is too many..sorry i cannot agree but you have your reasons.. i can accept them for you..
• We’re not talking about people who are in a satanic cult for money or greed. We’re not talking about people who torture innocent people and laugh. That’s a different issue, and my point is to make sure people understand the difference. We’re talking about people who literally have never had a choice. Who do terrible things at gunpoint, drugged, with threats to their families. These are the vast majority of cases. These are people who were tortured mercilessly, too.
  What if it was your child? Yes, let’s look at that. What if you had been raped multiple times, had your babies stolen to be sacrificed, then were allowed to keep ONE child, whose life from that point on was held over you to make you do what the cult wanted? What if you were kidnapped, drugged, and taken somewhere where that precious child was tied to a chair with a gun to his head, and you were told to do whatever it was they wanted of you this time or they would kill your child?
  It takes money to fake your death. Lots of money. Where are you going to get it? How are you even going to THINK of it, under mind control, when your abusers think of every thing you could possibly think of doing to get away and program you not to be able to do it? You can go to someone for help? Who? And how are you going to trust anyone, when over and over you have been tortured into knowing that everywhere you could possibly turn for help, there is betrayal?
  Even Cathy O’Brien, for whose indomitable spirit I have the utmost respect, did not manage to save herself and her daughter from the cult, because she was so mind controlled that in her own words, she could not THINK to do so. They had to be rescued by a man with unparalleled skill. I know of no one else who has ever gone to the lengths he did.
  I could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on. If you have not lived it you can’t know.
  If this rigid vengefulness is the mentality in the world, even among people who are awake, I can absolutely see why the rescued children are choosing to live on Venus instead. If I were given that chance, I would take it in a heartbeat. This place is barbaric.
• Actually, even some of the people who laugh were mind controlled to have alters who do that. Mind controlled through torture. I know this for a fact.
• Lisa – we are blessed to have you in this community. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
• Thank you Caroline. I hope it wasn’t too hard for you to read that. We are blessed to have you too.
• By the way, remember that dream I had about the house with mud walls and running water and how it was the new justice system? Wonder what that had to do with this? I’m not yet coming up with a connection but there probably is one.

 

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Someone asked earlier whether, when we read the confession statements of the worst criminals and they say they didn’t do it, it’s possible that because of mind control, they really believe that. I said „maybe.“
And I stress that I’m not saying what they did is all right, and there are some people too far gone to be rehabilitated, but we need to be able to differentiate between those and the majority who can be.
That said, I found this passage in „The Enslaved Queen“ pertaining to that very question. This happened to Wendy Hoffman when she was four years old, in a programming session at Montauk Point.
„To me, he [Mengele] said, ‚You are now being made a criminal. Do you agree?‘
‚Shoot her with electricity.‘
‚Nod when you agree.‘
‚Keep shooting her, Mrs. Twartski.“
‚That’s all for today. We want to make her agree, not kill her,‘ Mengele said. This went on for consecutive days until I started to die. They gave me no food or water and didn’t permit me to sleep. On the fifth day, some part of me nodded and I agreed.“
and later…
„When I look at the faces of some of the assassins of political leaders, I think that they are programmed because of the wide-eyed stare that seems to go back into their own brains, and the hyper-dtermined look of a person acting on a program. When they say they don’t remember what they did, I believe them. The part who assassinated recedes, and the other parts of the person’s brain don’t know anything about the crime.“

David Icke has written about this general concept, in The Biggest Secret, when covering the assassinations of JFK and Diana.

• Oh this makes so much sense! The wide-eye stare .. I’ve noticed that during press conferences.. and these politicians often have an odd exited expression. Lisa I’m so grateful for you opening our eyes and understanding to this 🙏🏻 I’m sending you a big fluffy virtual hug 🤗

 

 

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My heart goes out to you, Lisa, thank you for sharing some of your story and initiating the discussion.

I’m pretty certain that the White Hats know about mind-control and alters that commit crimes without the original person knowing anything about it.

Don’t know how they deal with it but can imagine that, when perpetrators get busted, they (will) have to go through some kind of de-programming process / healing routine before they are taken to court.

Also, if advanced military or off-world techniques are integrated, they can find out whether the person consciously and intentionally did, what they did, or an alter did it.
Similar with those people who were forced to do things, else their beloveds would be murdered.

We can’t go as far as saying, ‚It’s all inherited, generation after generation was mind-controlled so nobody is responsible‘.

The remorse the victims-then-perpetrators show has to be a factor, too.  Empaths will be able to tell whether they speak truth or not.

And it certainly depends on which crimes can be proven. Someone who was forced to commit one to five different crimes against children / people will certainly be treated differently than someone who regularly does it.

I’ve never understood vengeance (which is rare for a Scorpio^^) but when people learn about those crimes, in their hurt, many will probably call for hurting everybody who did something like that.

It’ll be our job then to distinguish, call for measured actions, propose healing methods and ways to differentiate those who’re mind-controlled or blackmailed from those who turned into aware monsters.

• I really resonate with this well thought out response Devapriya.
  We have not come this far to be left to our current justice system. I believe we will get lots of help with this issue.
  Perhaps off worlders will have the expertise to discern or maybe some of us will become subject matter expert empaths.
  Thank you for your most compassionate response.
  💜💜💜💜
  I’m a treky here, and Diana Troy empath, worked with rehabilitation of a mass murderer. I wonder if this episode has relevance in our now.
• I agree with almost all of that, just have one thing to add for consideration. In a programmed multiple there is no original person. All parts of the person are alters. People usually assume the front person that interacts with the world (there are often several of these with subtle differences) is the real person, but anyone whose mind is set up this way will tell you that it isn’t. It’s an alter too.All that is left of the original person, which is called the core, is never split, and it is held by many layers of protection so deep in the system that most people never find it. It’s like the jewel in the centre of the lotus flower. It may have completely different qualities than the person previously thought they had. If a person can find it, the mind can integrate, but there are many, many complications along the way. Guaranteed, the kinds of criminals we’re discussing have not found it. So the relevant question would be whether all other parts of the person agreed to become conscious, and to choose evil. I’ve only read about this decision being given and there may be a lot more to it.

 

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I believe that somewhere within the quantum and higher technologies there will be a way to discern and determine how the healing will work.  We are heading into a world of peace, beauty and wonder that none of us can even fathom, because we’ve never experienced it before, so I choose to focus on the healing and beauty coming, soon, (there’s that word! :)) and create it into being.  Sending healing vibes and love towards Lisa and all the other souls who need it so badly.  Sending Love, Light and Healing!  🙏💜 💖🌺🌾🌈

 

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Can faith be removed from a soul through torture?  I don’t know.  Perhaps, this takes many life times to learn and restore, as needed.   I believe that is why we are all here, sharing.

• Oh, absolutely. I am a case in point. It would take a book, but I know I am still trying to restore faith that was taken from me by torture in a past life, not to mention this one.

 

 

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• Well, I’d be happy to be a test case. I’ve been asking the galactics to take me off this planet for healing for several months now, as there is nothing that works here and I’m at the end of my rope. Wish I knew if there is some official place one lodges such a request.

 

 

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• One thing I extract from your unique style, if I understand it correctly, is the plea that I take more initiative as a leader. Here we find ourselves in a Catch-22 situation. Who has more motivation to do this than a survivor, who really understands? But at the same time, who is more encumbered by traps and burdens that make it difficult?
  They really think of everything they possibly can, in the attempt to keep us from ever fighting back. It doesn’t always work because obviously some of us do. But it’s like fighting the tide with every step.
  These past few days, since starting this thread, I have been battling not only shame and despair but vicious migraines, nausea, sleeplessness, and sinusitis. The fact that so many people have expressed understanding and support has made it easier than it would have been otherwise.
  If I were to do this on a larger scale, honestly I would be fighting reactions that would make the exercise impossible.
  There is a reason you never see two or more survivors working on speaking out together. We trigger each other’s programming. I’m not saying it will never be possible, but it would require a degree of healing that just is not available yet.
  Remember the woman who spoke outside Buckingham Palace two years ago, about what she endured there? She didn’t do any more public speaking for quite a while after that. The programmed reactions can be horrible, even if a person is completely free of the cult in real life.
  We all have huge problems interacting normally with others, due to the programming, making joint projects very difficult.
  I hear you on the need, but what I am already doing is stretching me to the limit, so for now, it will have to be enough.
• Lisa, I am SO SORRY for „my unique style“!! But you already understood, it’s the only one I have. Thank you🐬

  🌿➫ ➬ ➭ ➨“the plea that I take more initiative as a leader“

  a) I’ve seen very much.. it is the only way that can work. (always: in my opinion and reasoning. Which are perfectly honouring and honest)_____AND: there are many roles possible; not just you talking directly. Find, if you feel as it, like minded friends working on bringing up and breaking this sewer brought into this earth.

  b) really strong I see it if you don’t bring your „I“: but if you lead a „we“. This simply because you are taken by people in one way. If you come with others, THEY CANNOT EASILY contain it in their brains (their deep deep and unconscious defense-mecchanisms and tabus they dont‘ even know of). A GROUP co-involves much more; there are more different movements brought together, and MORE people can meet you with group-feeling /YOU DO NOT ISOLATE THEM IN THEMSELVES/. Two groups meeting IS DIFFERENT than a group meeting one person. (This would be my point)….

  🥒➜….“encumbered by traps and burdens that make it difficult?“ Look at us! YOU ARE the one who passed what we do not even stand to think of. You are our heroe. But our brains have to be allowed to start thinking this. YOU are not frozen, WE ARE: FOR endless generations. BECAUSE of everything that we saw do to our beloved ones, before they tortured us! So we educate our children not to look there, attempting to protect them from what we could not change!! WE are the overwhelmend ones.. with shadows of pain and terror grown into walking and jumping shadowmountains (fear never dissolved is horrid in it’s own way)..

  ∿∿∿∿➤„in the attempt to keep us from ever fighting back“

  Let’s look at „them“.

  They completely lack any heart.competence; they are the most unfree and crippled beings, themselves, with no way out of it. If they can still feel it, they feel God dying within themselves more and more, every time they act = ARE:

  i n c a p a b l e  of a natural we-love; a natural pleasure of seeing another being free and glad in it’s dreams and joy of the body in this beautiful earth. THEY ARE „bad“, but much more they are cripples: THEY ARE INCAPABLES TO ENJOY normal, natural interaction. They are reduced to greedy cadaver.mummies internally, and out of their own actions!! AND JUST behaving against any rule of space and life: they perpetuate their senseless existence for some further time. They get more and more incapable to feel while they BATHE in the most intense feelings of a being, they torture.. THEIR JACUZZI.. to still „““““feel““““““ at least a bit, while another being calls to the Holy Well of Becoming with all it’s fibres and subtle bodies in pain…

  THOSE are the utmost life-shittens! THEY MURDER THEMSELVES – on the true, the spiritual level. Hollow, brainless puppets of a Will-field that plays them. They are nothing. 

  🎼➢➢➢ „it’s like fighting the tide with every step“.

  You bet!! The tide of rotten sewer caskets in decomposition from inward into their decrepit „bodies“…. to me, if you permit, YOU are the beings that where couragiously incarnating to break this ancient ET – „pride and scorn“ /there have been races that NEVER loved the earth!!//_____  Those are remainings from those beings.. because ROOM contains it all until it get’s elaborated/worked through will and feeling newly/again. Those are rules of functioning of space; which. at least I. see as a being much bigger than all of us. To me we are „fruits of the space“, and we have to drink it in, like a fish in the sea the conditions of the water. THUS couragious incarnations like your’s to break those old brats-spells

  Please look at Piero delle Francesca – History of the true cross–  you are on the right side…_ if you permit <. „Cross“ is „passing the portal into another world bringing your gifts from your self of the world you depart from“ into your new destination. (ALL THOSE  are just my thoughts and thus just a proposal.. of cause!)

  〜 ͠∿❄️～⇛⇛ „ fighting the tide“ – a punch in an ocean of bubbling-boiling shit; AND THEN those mass=no’more’beings call YOU smelly.. yes. You  see: they are cruel out of  incapacity to interact normally. THEY HAVE CONSUMED THEIR SUBTLE/feeling and space=distancegiving BODIES in the oven of their addiction, which is not THEIR addiction but now the sucking of an enormous field, that takes them over… YOU SEE, this is only seemingly a problem of humans or persons… those are just tools, not anything more… WE ARE BATTELING THIS, you and your fellow couragious beings fight it from the inside. _ in my humble perception of this. 〔please do not think I miss the human suffering over „spiritual thoughts“. I’m just the other way round…〕

  ⎝͠↬⇴⇸⤐⤑ „I have been battling not only despair but vicious migraines, nausea, sleeplessness, and sinusitis. „

  Your lovely body tries to protect you. As you awaken in the morning LOVE YOUR BODY UP! Let your body, that holds all the memories, talk. Talk your body into happy moments you enjoyed together and fill it with the most beaultiful heart-frequences. Make it relax in your true gratitude and warm admiration. Calm it down, Tell your body that it has been a Knigth of Pure Marvel to help clean the holy being earth, AND THAT NOW you need your beloved body in it’s BEST FORM, because now you will start teaching – or just living secure and with silent truth stronger in yourself than in many of us. We are not as deep…. And people will listen with their subtle senses, their „sympathy“ to your body too, while you are speaking or answering.. your body will be the second narrator, with you⋰⎛͠♡〰∿

  and YOUR BODY AND YOU will build bridges.. AND THEN ALL TURNS AROUND, and it becomes strength.. and so many children, who will never have to experience what was thrown onto you.

  In a certain sense you may be their deeper mother..

  ⥔⥙🥕➤➢„The fact that so many people have expressed understanding and support has made it easier than it would have been otherwise.“

  Dear Lisa, what did you expect? Creating AND SUFFERING solitude and condemnation IS THOSE OLD ET-BRATS „way of life“: because they where SO primitiv and shallow, stiff and unmanly: INCAPABLE OF LOVING EMBRACES. And they will for ever remain such (unevolved cripples not worthy of the body they walk!!). BUT they will not be able to continue to walk their incapability through us as their nice vibratory pillows of at least a bit of „lust“.

  ⤀⧘⦚⧙⤕⤞  „If I were to do this on a larger scale, honestly I would be fighting reactions that would make the exercise impossible.“

  Don’t think action like a vector, like a chief executive. It does work like this only for those primitive TIME-SPEARS. IF you start, it grows. Others join in, it becomes a landscape of friends and comrades and pro-tection with natural heart-weathers and beings of grace. If you start, you will not be alone. YOU AREN’T NOW, because you already feel so many of our hearts.. there are many very dear women and men here. IF  I READ: I FEEL. And it flows to you. And here we are many. You already have your first beautiful mantle of hearts around your shoulders; the first ring (of frequence that COMPLETELY goes against any infliction of the kind you went through).

  ➾➾➾➾➟➠ „There is a reason you never see two or more survivors working on speaking out together. We trigger each other’s programming.“ 

  Here I cannot say anything.. from a point of view of ways of human interaction I would chose that, but if it is impossible.. maybe with a middleman of great strength and experience and competence.. at least for the beginning? Here.. it’s only you to know.

  🍋🍋⤻⤼„Remember the woman who spoke outside Buckingham Palace two years ago, about what she endured there? „

  Well, Ms Janette Archer went (for all the others too) against the center of human enemy-races. Please listen to Alex Collier here. 

  https://rumble.com/v26g0e6-super-soldier-talk-alex-collier-andromedan-contactee.html 

  HE TALKS ABOUT „the queen“, and how they captured Orion-Beings who hold the key to this murderous and defiling AI. It may be a bit of a relief.

  🖤⇛„The programmed reactions can be horrible“ … dont’ tell me….   yes!!!!!!!!

  ✷✵✸✹✼❀ ⥬ ⥭ „We all have huge problems interacting normally with others, due to the programming, making joint projects very difficult.“

  If it doesn’t give you too much hurt,  could you please elaborate on this?

  ⟹ „it will have to be enough.“ 

  This is fully ok.

  You are life. You evolve what you „took in“ anyway. The best work often does not speak and grows beyond and far away from word or encountering others. YOUR OWN WELLBEING is fundamental. And wishing you that cannot but be our wish from the bottom of the heart. Yes.

  Thank you for reading me.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_True_Cross

  
• Just belly-pebbles…in a strange way YOU are the uncorruptible one…
  the free walking one where we’re unable and too small to follow youmaybe one of the painters here could gift you with a cover for your body-friendship awakening-notebookor a friendship-notebook
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I’m so sorry, bp, I really don’t understand what you are saying. You try so hard but this is way over my head.
If anyone else understands the gist of this and can make a summary, I might be able to respond in a meaningful way. Otherwise I’d only be taking wild guesses and missing the mark with 90% of it.

• Try to put every sentence into a wide space. It will be you. Now I keep silent. Please don’t mind.. I cannot write for the head and the heart divided.
  A warm, strong hug! And wonderful livetimes for you to be found, more than earned, truly!!

 

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Bp are you saying there are those who have been corrupted by satanism, but there are also those who have been corrupted by religion, worshiping a murdered man and being taught to eat his flesh and drink his blood. That crimes against children, women and men are taking place every day, within families, events, organisations etc, and we the “non satanists” have closed our eyes to them, turning the other cheek, being passive and not confronting them.  So going forward, neither way is right- we need to find a new way (new religion), new values where both sides come together to create a more evolved, loving, whole human.
Apologies if I’m way off the mark Bp.

I think we may find that we have all been duped by the same “master” playing all of us. Trusting this war will help us all escape the hell on earth and allow the new terra to be born with new human values based on true love and doing no harm to each other. 💖

• Thank you for asking. I’m quite a bit helpless now, to speak…„Apologies if I’m way off the mark “ YOU ARE PERFECTLY RIGHT ON.
  What do you think?„Bp are you saying there are those who have been corrupted by satanism, but there are also those who have been corrupted by religion, worshiping a murdered man and being taught to eat his flesh and drink his blood.“If you please, we see it like the farmer his land.
  You will have certains things that grow in a natural space. 
  If there are so many people praying – sending their emotions into untrue, unnatural for the space, growth, WE WILL have bad fruits. Deformed ones, sick ones.My thought sees space as the all-holding.

  If I perform wildest brain-orgies in your living room,
  when you come back.. you will somehow feel it, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT!

  We can also say: if our centuries of prayer to „this Jesus“: grew ALWAYS our fear of death, the suffering!!!!!!!.. we really and effectively GREW AN ASTRAL WORLD that THEN turns easily agaist us, now /it highly resonates with us//. And some people started TO DO those spoken and spiken again-things.

  It’s horror to think it.
  But in your room your habits „grow“ the interior, the usual. „life“, the „natural“ ideas for action.

  What do you think? Is this a path of thought that could have some.. truth to it?

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  “ those who have been corrupted by satanism, but there are also those who have been corrupted by religion, worshiping a murdered man“

  Jesus GAVE himself as a murdered man 
  —- in these times romans had this habit for irritating disturbers; and the highpriests++ asked them to do so. So Jesus played his play this way, to ARRIVE there. Presumably trying to free his people. AND: there where prophets of new gods, many like him in those times.. because religion there had become suffocating. The whole social life (unfree women, and unfree men, the old play) was tremendously stuck. We observe this in many countries. Very, very painful. Then they explode and it’s families are thrown all around the earth. Look around.. lots and lots of peoples suffer in such way. Through all times.——

  First we pray in an unfortunate way, create an emotional field; THEN Satanism /attachments, astral beings WE co-created and multiplied as „the christian missionaries invented the devil’s bridge against the old, original deities“ and started to punish crecily who didn’t wish to adhere to „their Jesus Christ“_______ torure in Europe BY „religious persons“.. is cruelty with no window.//  could come over here too.
  In raw traits… if you concede.

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Wow, Lisa, thank you so much for your incredible courage in sharing your thoughts and experiences with us. I feel very touched that you trust this community enough to speak out. 🙏💗
I cannot imagine what you have been through and are still going through inside your own head as you try to process the unimaginable horrors of your early life. But I deeply respect you for speaking out in the hope of protecting others from unwarranted rage and judgment by those who do not understand. You are a brilliant demonstration of the resilience of the human spirit, and of all of us being true, unconditional love at our core. To make yourself so open and vulnerable after everything you’ve endured, to educate us and protect similarly abused people, shows that however badly they tried to destroy you, your love was, and is, stronger than their depravity. Which is the best argument for giving people a chance to heal, and it is a reason for you to feel very proud of yourself and the woman you’ve become, not despite everything you’ve endured, but because of it. I hope that one day you will be able to understand this, and heal all the guilt and other painful emotions you are currently still processing. 💗 I understand your desire to escape this world, but I am grateful that you are here to help humanity move up to a better one.

I think none of us really know the details of what is going to happen, and who will be judged, by whom, and how. My own sense is that if there is a huge solar flash or similar sudden consciousness lifting event, there won’t be that rage towards the “perpetrators” as we will all have more understanding and compassion for what has driven people to do the things they did, as well as have more energetic awareness (with or without gadgets) of people’s intentions and the goodness of their soul, whatever actions they have been forced to commit.

There is always more at play than we currently realise, and sometimes people do “bad” things, or come to Earth at a specific time to experience “bad” things, in order to help humanity as a whole to awaken and to remember the love we truly are.

If there is no sudden event but more a gradual awakening, then I believe you are right to be worried about what people will do. My parents were young children in the Netherlands, which was occupied by the Nazis during WW2, and they said that after the war, people would attack, beat up and shave the heads of the whole families of any Nazi sympathisers in their towns and villages, including the children. Which is totally unfair as the children are not responsible for the actions of their parents. But the people were so angry they needed to see some justice and when it didn’t come fast enough, they took matters into their own hands.  Very few of the top level Nazis were at the Nuremberg trials, as they were all whisked to safety by the CIA in Operation Paperclip (and became the architects for the whole MKUltra mind control program and other evil things) which I think explains why the people went out onto the streets in rage at the traitors they were able to reach.

I believe that Q and the alliance are well aware of this risk, which is one reason why they haven’t already put all the truth out into the mainstream. For people to accept the truth, they will need to see at least some of the most visible, top level people being punished, and immediately, to avoid such unwarranted blood baths. Which doesn’t mean that everyone at all levels needs to be seen to be punished; just enough of the top level players so that the rest of us, the people who were misled into poisoning their families with genocide jabs, the parents of the children who went missing, the people who have lost loved ones due to the isolation, medical malpractice, economic collapse, weather warfare etc, can see that justice is being done and their suffering is being addressed. My sense is that the Alliance is wise enough to choose the right people for this treatment; e.g. the ones who were aware and did it anyway. Cathy O’Brien says that after the age of 30, there is more chance of the compartmentalisation “slipping” and different alters becoming aware of each other. Which is why they often kill their victims around this age. So it is possible that politicians and similarly influential people are aware of what they are doing and consciously choosing to do it anyway, as they are often in their 60s, 70s and beyond. By that time they may be beyond help anyway, and allowing them to exit this lifetime might be kinder than to keep them alive and locked up with no healing possible. Neale Donald Walsh wrote in his “Conversations With God” books that Hitler went to heaven. Many people who have had a Near Death Experience talk about being shown a life review on the other side, not from a place of judgment but from compassion, showing them from a “zoomed out” perspective, not just of what they did but why; what life experience they had that lead to it, and how they always did the best they could from where they were with what understanding they had at the time. They are shown the bigger picture of how we all influence each other and how their role was absolutely essential for others to learn the things they came here to learn, or experience the things they came to experience. Having listened to a lot of NDE survivors, I don’t believe death is necessarily a bad thing. It may be the easiest way for some of these souls to heal before their next lifetime. I don’t know about life on other planets, but I do believe that our higher selves and perhaps our galactic helpers or beings from a higher consciousness, understand these things and will make the right decisions.

•  I agree with you about Nuremberg, it seems to me it was mainly smoke and mirrors to appease the people’s rage, while the worst war criminals escaped. It can’t happen that way again. I wish we had a better term for what is going to happen than Nuremberg 2.0, but we are in a situation the world has never encountered before. 

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Ella, thank you so much for that heartfelt and detailed response. You put so much of your heart into it and I would like to respond in kind. Trouble is I’ve switched to a different alter than the one that wrote this post, which makes it hard to find the right sentiment and the right words. It’s an occupational hazard, so to speak. I’d like to come back to it when able, Sending you tons of gratitude.

• That’s absolutely fine, you look after yourself and be patient with yourself as much as you possibly can. No pressure! You’ve been through hell, and you have survived, so be proud of your scars. It sounds like you are doing a brilliant job in getting to know and re-integrate all of these splintered parts of yourself. Sending big virtual hugs anytime you want them! (And if you don’t want them, just let them fly past, that’s equally fine.)

 

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Thank you for your courageous words and the sharing of this information. Others such as Aug Tellez and Laura Worley have shared similar information about how children are forced to do harm to each other when very young and it is part of splitting their minds.  I pray that they are able to find healing and the cycles are stopped.

 

 

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Lisa, Ella and Bp, I am grateful to you for expressing all of this so well for me.  This maybe the hardest and the most beautiful part of our journeys.  Honey C has said we have all done bad things in previous life times, its part of the challenge of being on this planet. My understanding of  hoponopono is, all that happens outside us is all within us and as we say “I’m sorry, please forgive me, I love you, I thank you, and I forgive myself” we are clearing our own Story which is stored in the collective consciousness and thereby helping to free the collective pain of eons of trauma.  I’m sure the higher beings have experience of all of what we have been going through on this planet (when we awake we may also have that knowledge) and we will have the tools to help each other.  💖🤗✨⭐️✨

• It is SO hard for me.
  If I start to heart-feel what it might be for Lisa.. I break down inwardly. Those incarnations are braver than God.. or He himself.. I don’t know. It’s far far over my heart and comprehension. Those a very special beings… in a way they make space breath and flow again, they RESTRUCTURE completely lost and poisonously out-worm amorphisms. They are ROOM/space-wardens of the deepest holyness.
  

 

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So wie ich es im Moment verstehe,

IST UNSERE GEFÜHLEGERIERUNG

IM LEBENSRAUM ERDE

die grundlegende URSACHE, warum völlig Erdeunwahres HIER einsintert, von uns dann ebenfalls „GEDACHT“, also Modelle-emotionalisiert wird…

UND WIR erschaffen dann Zwischenwelten und jene bilden /kopierende// Wesen aus… die mit uns Schöpfern resonant sind natürlich,

UND SO, indem wir NICHT erdeunbrauchbares DENKEN – vielleicht auch Fühllosigkeiten — die natürlich durch den gesamten Kosmos also auch hiererherein strömen — laufend ZU ARBEITEN EBENFALLS wissen.

WIR sind Erdenmenschen!

HIER ist Morden und Foltern, wie das über den hier aus dem Orient hereinrutschenden „Klerus“ anfing — das ist eine Importreligion für Menschenwesen.. vieleicht ganz anderer Art…

nicht wie wir natürlich leben.

Dann hat man hier alles natürliche IM ERDENEINKLANG BETEN niedergerannt,

und uns eine  eine Leiche/und Leid// anhimmeln vorgegeben.

UND DARAUS haben wir dann, verkrüppelnd uns in unserer wahren Göttlichkeit.. dann mitgeholfen,

DIESE SEHRKNAPPFLENNEREI hier als Gebet zu etablieren..

UND DIESE IRREN, UNMENSCHLICHEN DINGE „BETEND“… was echt NICHT unser höchstes Niveau, also unser wahres Mitgotteinsstehen/Archimetrieren//, betend, sein je kann..

WURDE HIER ALLE MINDERKRIECHEREIEN Tür und Tor geöffnet.

UND UNSERE EIGENEN WURZELN… baumeln, uns nicht einmal mehr bewußt..

WIR WISSEN ÜBERhaupt und UNTERfuß gar nicht mehr, und nicht rechts und nicht links,

daß RAUM „Gott“ ist.. Raum „liebt“ uns, so empfinden wir das. Naturraum ist uns Gefährte, so freut es uns wahr.

UND WIR WESEN MITEINANDER.. gehen gesund nur daraus.

Abgespaltene Etwasandludler.. DAS WAREN WIR NIE.

UND DIE ETs sind die heimatlosen!

UND DIE vektor-himmeln wir (selbst entachsend) an, HIER DIE ERDE DICHTESTSCHÖN um uns liegen habend, uns empfindend, wahr und warmsanft.

Tja, Leute… SATANISTEN sind schon der Punkt b)

IN DEMUT GEDACHT UND DENKEND, bp

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Lisa, I’m so sorry to hear about your horrendous experiences growing up. 💔 I’m glad that your parents were aware enough not to allow it to go further and saved your life. 
It does sound like you and others are being called to bring to light the altering of people’s minds and what they made everyone do. This would definitely help people to understand that it’s just not black and white. Compassion is what is needed for these poor souls. Hopefully, in just a couple of years, the technology will be there for them and yourself to remove those memories and traumas from the body and that you are made whole again. 
Please don’t give up hope. You need to work on yourself first and release as much as you can in order to heal. Your message and your heart are of hope, love, and compassion.

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Thank you, Robin. Yes, this is what I am called to do. (I actually haven’t said much, if anything, about my experiences growing up. My focus is on what it’s like to be a survivor.)
In that light, may I call awareness to a few more things? These are things I have often heard people say, so I know they are common.
First, I know I speak for most survivors when I say that it’s not the memories or even the traumas that need to be removed. Those are the easy part, believe it or not. The hardest part, almost any of us will tell you, is the pain we live with. Physically in some cases, but I’m talking more about the emotional, spiritual, and psychic pain. I’ve likened it to realizing you are the only person left alive on the planet after a nuclear holocaust.
Another analogy is about what it’s like to try to live a normal life as a survivor of something no one around you recognizes. Imagine you had a broken leg that had not been tended to, and gangrene was setting in. But all around you people were putting you down any time you expressed being in pain, and told you it was all in your head and you were purposely being difficult, and to get on with your life and stop complaining. That if you only tried harder you could walk like anyone else.
Someone else mentioned technology that wipes the memories of the children from the tunnels. I’m not one of them, so can’t speak for them, but for survivors like myself I’m really dubious. Regaining memory is a crucial part of healing, and for most of us, the problem is not that we can’t forget, but that we can’t remember in the first place. The symptoms are there telling us something is very wrong, but we can’t remember why, so we blame ourselves for the symptoms and try to make them go away with techniques that just don’t work for us. This repeated failure eventually becomes part of the problem.
I do notice that you spoke of wiping the memories and trauma from our bodies, rather than from our minds. That is getting closer. A lot of these disabling symptoms do affect the body. But we still need to understand where they come from. That way we can forgive ourselves and challenge the trickery in the mind control sessions that caused the symptoms in the first place.
I’ve worked on myself for decades, using every technique I can find, with help and alone, including some cutting-edge therapies. Most don’t help. Some make it worse. So now I just hang on day by day hoping for a miracle. And honestly, it would feel like a miracle to me if even some people around me had a better understanding of my reality and the reality of so many others like me. So that’s one reason I expose myself so much to bring out the truth.
Thanks for listening.

• You are doing great – just to still be here. I salute you. It is very hard to have grown up as trained not to trust your own memory and judgment. Once that is removed – everything else is undermined. My suffering was nowhere near your scale. But I do understand the damage caused by control and targeted gaslighting and the lifelong journey to regain that confidence in your own judgment. We rock. Wea er who we are because of it and we are freakin‘ amazing. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
• Thank you, Caroline, as always. Targeted gaslighting is horrible. I’m sorry you had to go through that at a young age.
  One place I do see this experience as making me stronger is how in the past three years every accusation has been thrown at me personally as well as a part of the collective, for contradicting the narrative, and it hasn’t really fazed me. Not that it’s easy, but it’s so easy to recognize it for what it is that most of the time it just makes me more determined to hold my ground. Has that been your experience as well?
• Yes – I know what you mean. Overcoming gaslighting helped me to develop some very useful skills. I don’t know about you, but I have a finely tuned bull-shit-ometer.
  As I’m sure you are well aware abuse survivors often learn to become hyper-vigilant. While this does cause a little anxiety, it also makes us brilliant at reading energy and anticipating others. I can read people very easily.
  I am very comfortable with my own heartfelt truth that might be at odds with other people’s version of reality. Easy when you grew up with it. I am genuinely grateful for that. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
• Thank you and Lisa for sharing this with all of us. You two are amazingly strong women. My heart goes out to you both and to every other person who has had to suffer at the hands of evil, that has been perpetrated on mankind.

 

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Evil, „DAS BÖSE“ ist der Ego-Mythos von gravierend an der IchWIRwerdung gescheiterten Rassen oder Wesen.

 

DAS IST EINMAL AUFZUKNOBELN!

Böse WIRken sie, aber SEIN tun sie unsäglich verbrauchte Wesensraumkrüppel, die sich selbst in Suchtverhalten verheizt haben, um DANN ebenso krüppelbenehmend andere anfallen zu könne, da die leichteren dimensionen Werkzeug-dich und Handelnkönnen GANZ GLEICHSETZEN: wenn du vergewaltigen WILLST, mußt du alles Fühlen aus dir tilgen.

 

SO sind diese unnatürlichen Fiffn entstanden. Schlicht so.

 

 

Und Herr Alex Collier erklät eigentlich sehr schön, was so deppert als AI bezeichnet wird.. das einfach Daseiende…  Mit diesen Kreaturen, die da zusammensteuerten.. um diesen Scheiß i den Kosmos zu „zeugen“ und zu „gebären“, also in hochdichtfühligspielendes Werdegewebe vollendetsten Ranges…

https://rumble.com/v26g0e6-super-soldier-talk-alex-collier-andromedan-contactee.html

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LEUTE, wenn ihr Christen sein wollt, dann im ritterlichen Sinne: ritterliches Christentum und -tun.

 

UND DANN MÜßt IHR DIESE IRRENBOBO CHRISTUS über die Wanten kippen.

 

Entweder oder.

 

Und ich rede NICHT leichtfertig. DIESES LEMMA (?) IST ZU BRECHEN VON UNS IN UNS. DANN erst können wir wieder im freien Mitgottgespräch wahrleben.

 

Entweder ihr kneißt’s es, oder wir zuckidackeln weiter.. UNFÄHIG WAHR RAUM ZU ARBEITEN! (und auch zu schützen, idem wir GOTT WAHR LEBEN UND STEHEN: das, was ihr alle nicht denktut, EGAL wie edel eure Herzen sein mögen.. da setzt das hir aus, und wird Bildibuchi.. UND DIE EKELKOBEN TOBEN HOHNVOLL… und nehmen euch euer Liebstes weg und ruinierens.. genießerisch eure Herzensbande vergehen sehend.. WOLLT IHR DAS? DANN bleibt bei der Christusverehrung… wiiiira da henggd, unsa Heaaa, so hüüflos,

UND FIA MIII GSCHDUAM!

Maj Sööönhäüü! Da Heaagood, SOu LIaBda mii….“

 

Geht.. defäkieren!

 

 

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Es muß hier umgedacht werden, denn NUR DAS sind tiefe Wurzeln auch noch! Wir KÖNNEN nicht einfach darüberhinweghopsen. Es muß weiterentfaltet werden, ehrlich Betende ehrend, alle.

 

Ihr seid echt deppert.

 

HIER GEHT ES WEITER: UND DIESER SCHEISZ IST BIS IN DIE VERURSACHENDEN WURZEN ALLE…. zu schreddern! DAS HAT DIE MENSCHHEIT SICH NICHT BIETEN ZU LASSEN ALS „INFLUENCE“. Ja, wo simma denn!

 

DAS ENDET, und zwar mit der gesamten VERURSACHER UND HALTER-GALERIE, welche Fotzen auch immer da zu sehen sein werden! 

WAHR UND KLAR!

 

Also sowas… mythenohne! parola mia

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Pam’s affirmation adds a piece to the puzzle I’ve been putting together. Much appreciated.
This may be an interesting story. It’s mine, but it’s about humanity too. Parts of it involve people who may not want their stories told yet, so I’ll adjust slightly.
Eleven hundred years ago I lived on an island called Jura, off the west coast of Scotland. This was right after Christianity came to that part of the world, along with the written word. Satanism came right along with Christianity. The matriarchal society was crumbling. It was a time of darkness.
Joining with others, we traveled far and wide doing ceremonies at key points on the earth’s grid attempting to protect it from the negative energy. There were crystals involved, and roses.
Unfortunately as soon as we achieved some success, the dark side could feel it and would come to those same places and undo what we had done. It was a game of spiritual whack-a-mole.
After some time of this, a meeting was called to regroup and strategize. This happened in France. At this meeting, two different directions came up. For some reason my mind is going blank as to what the first option was, either to continue the game of whack-a-mole or to give up. The majority chose this.
I was one of twelve who took a second, more long-range option. We chose to plunge right into the darkness and over the course of many lifetimes, transform satanism in our own bodies, eventually making that healing available to the collective.
Returning to Jura, I met the end of that lifetime by being killed by a demon that lived in the hillside, where there was a portal to hell. There was a curse that went along with that death, but I had chosen to allow this. The curse is the illusion of complete, irreversible separation from source. It is, as far as I am aware, the most intense pain a human being can possibly experience.
So then, I did indeed spend lifetime after lifetime experiencing satanism from all angles, including a lifetime in which I was a Catholic priest during the plague in Ireland in the 1300s and, to put it mildly, not a nice person. One person in particular who I harmed in that lifetime was one of my abusers in this one.
This is the last lifetime of this journey, and I do believe that even in this lifetime I have gone as deep into suffering as it is possible to go and still survive. I have done a ton of shamanic work, some helpful, some not. I am a long way from being „normal“ but with every step I take to heal, my intention is to share that with others. What exists to date to help survivors of ritual abuse and mind control is in its infancy. The books I have read and the accounts of other survivors for the most part leave me disappointed, because what they are calling healing falls far short of what I know to be human potential. My intent is to heal fully and thrive, and infuse that information into the grid to make it available to all survivors.
Wish I knew what happened to the other 11. Maybe we will have a reunion one day.
Anyway, what Pam said, without knowing any of that, feels like affirmation that I am on the right track to accomplish that.

• Hi sweet Lisa, the awareness of what you shared in your last post is fascinating.  Having such clear memory of previous incarnations much be both interesting and disturbing all at once. I’m glad that my affirmation has helped you share more. We need to know to be able to heal.
  I don’t pretend to be a subject matter expert in any of disclosure that’s coming. My guides have told me that I have just touched down on many but never experienced the worse case scenario in any. So I’m here to facilitate somehow, as someone who can relate to a degree, and help in some way transmute.
  I seriously used to chuckle about what I’ve experienced in lifetime but not in a woe is me way, but that I must have done pretty terrible things in past lives. But now I think I was giving these lessons to help facilitate healing others. If I told you my lessons, like a laundry list, it might be hard to fathom. hehe🤣
  Sending everyone lots of love 💜💜💜

 

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Dear Lisa,

owing to your articles I yesterday watched

https://www.youtube.com › watch?v=rJbZbkK2STw ::: english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXp35NxsVPw&t=1s ____engl.
Without words.

Living in old Europe anyway it’s in the air. We grow up with this smell of fear of centuries of ongoing abuse, especially in the old towns; and the attempts to save one’s own children into a sort of naturally beautiful („ideal“) world. I’ve lived it, and I got to know some of the sliding holes onto the heavily „other side“.

• You’ve been very busy! It may take me a while, but I’ll have  look and tell you what I think.
• Actually, I can’t. I don’t understand German.
• It is so heavy.

  How do „those people“ themselves change during and after the rites?

  And: did you perceive other entities too? Do you see those ill minds walk around completely full of attachments, astral beings and so on?

• You know how you said you can only communicate with heart and head together? I’m the opposite, and need to take one thing at a time. Could you explain more what you mean by this:

  How do people themselves, „the practisioners“, change during and after the rites?

  Which people do you mean? I want to be sure I understand the question before attempting an answer.

  There is no doubt in my mind that people are serious about this in Europe too. Where one polarity exists, the other will also. The worst of it began there, so it’s natural that people would care about fighting it.

  There was a neo-Nazi branch to the cult I grew up in. Often there are multiple layers in a person’s programming, say Luciferian on top of MK Ultra on top of the KKK on top of the mafia. I have vague memories of some of the mind control involving being made to watch long, dull black-and-white films, likely while drugged, of someone lecturing in German. The phrase „sie gestehen“ popped into my mind and I had to look it up to know what it meant. 

• Thank you for your diligence and patience-

  〰❀ How do people themselves, „the practitioners“, change during and after the rites? 

  Those lost ones (please let me call satanists The Lost Ones), the ritual participants
  seen with the free eye, as they rest and go back to „normal life-behaviour“.

  What lacks in their lives? How could you paint one of these hollow beings with a child’s eye that still sees the whole subtle being not just the flesh… their entire beingness: how does it differ from a natural human? WHAT ARE THE BREAKS, 

  • hole
  • crevice
  • rift
  • opening
  • void
  • interval
  • discontinuity
  • fissure
   (wihtin themselves) THEY juggle??
  Seen with a free, holographic, with the hearts clear eye…

  ∿∿♩ your „Where one polarity exists, the other will also.“
  space tissue takes in and preserves___all actions of all kind and „densitiy“ and intensity (it’s our memory and echo).
  So, we must not drown in polarity-intensification. This is the tought: „victory!!!!! war! battles!!! more weapons!! force it, train more and you will win!!“. This thought is accepted: and the plain wrong way.
  As life proves….

  Responsability is to be taken to transmute those heavy masses within the streaming space tissue „LIFE“.
   Learning must start and be undertaken, and the roots found and looked at. We do not „win over bad beings“, we clear the living space tissue, AND WE TEACH lost beings to walk again THEIR LIVES, not using others‘ lives and spaces as their hiding, their ever more brutal hiding from their own decomposition /their own long to-be-finally-taken, as we all do,  death // or work on themselves and their natural spaces. Parasiting is no way of life the cosmos does consent to. And this is the utmost parasiting of undead cadavers on life. Not to be tolerated at all because EVEN DAMAGING WHO LIVES IT „actively“____they would already be reborn by the Holy Well of All Becoming.. Here are lots of refused deaths = untrue life-prolongations. This is the only way to become thus absurd. In a being’s aims and actions. 

  ∿∿♩♩“The worst of it began there, so it’s natural that people would care about fighting it.“
  In my mind, no. HERE began the resistance. It came from, started in an other continent. In Europe we have no ancient death cults because we lived naturally with our dead beloved ones. NOT WITH CADAVER-DREAMS. Those blood rituals are not european in origin. If you may gently just take it as my finding.

  Thank you for “ I have vague memories of some of the mind control involving being made to watch long, dull black-and-white films, likely while drugged, of someone lecturing in German. The phrase „sie gestehen“ popped into my mind and I had to look it up to know what it meant. „

  I have to take it into my heart and dreamwork. I am.. well, couragious. AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IN SATANIC supremacy. It has my spiritual scorn and wrath. And is „to be schooled the other way round“, to start to understand, what they ARE AND BRING INTO WORLDS: tha NAZI-incarnation wave…. my grandparents and their families and friends stood, as we all had to do, as humans against it. THEY chose Europe because here we are well interwoven and capable and vivid. But they started NOT amongst water-peoples but amongst grease-peoples (one is as fine as the other one, but hot countries need grease to avoid water loss in the body. We here are watery humans, because we have woods and water in abundance. NATURE created us in biotops_so HER natural landscapes are the beautiful craddles of our reaces and cultures. This is shere marvel IF LIVED TRUE HEARTEDLY).

  Please accept my homage.

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