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Weird experience early this morning –
Hi all, I have a question – most relevant to the UK guys. Do we know if doctors get a referral fee when they send patients to hospitals who then pass away? I had a very weird experience this morning.
My mother-in-law has severe dementia and has 24-hour care from personal carers in her own home, paid for by herself. She has become convinced that she can’t walk although there is nothing wrong with her physically. She has been like this for a while. She is very happy within herself otherwise.
I got a call at 8:00 am this morning from a paramedic. She said that she had just taken over from someone in a ‚team‘ who had been with my mother-in for a ‚while‘ and they were just about to take her in an ambulance to the hospital. She said that one of the other paramedics had been trying to contact me, my husband, and my sister-in-law ‚for hours‘ and that as a result, they were just about to take my mother-in-law away.
Well, that was lie number 1 because I had been in all night/morning as had my husband and they had not called either our mobiles or landlines or my sister-in-law’s phone. Odd.
I asked if my M-I-L had had an accident, was physically unwell, or distressed and the lady I was speaking to said no. I asked why on Earth they were taking her to the hospital then – and she said it was because she needed tests because she thought she was immobile. I asked why, if there was no emergency – was she being rushed to the hospital with several paramedics in tow. Especially since she had lived with this for a while and that tests could be done in a leisurely less stressful way at home. Plus she gets very distressed when away from home as many people with dementia do.
The lady said it was because the GP had asked her to be referred to the hospital because the immobility could be the result of an underlying condition. She then asked if I had signed a do-not-resuscitate order. I asked her why and she said it was ‚just procedure‘. She asked who had power of attorney and if anyone had signed the paperwork to let her die if it became necessary. Also if we would be willing to allow ‚certain‘ procedures and critical care pathways to be applied if deemed necessary by the doctor at the hospital – it was all really weird. She asked me if I could prove that there was no such paperwork signed by anyone else.
At which point I stopped being quite so nice. l made it clear that I was writing everything down, that there were a lot of excess deaths and that my M_I_L was not going to be one of them. That older people since COVID have been killed off in care homes and with so-called care pathways. That if this happened to my M-I-L that I would relentlessly pursue everyone involved with the full force of the legal system.
Suddenly the lady agreed that in fact all tests could be done at home and in no rush and that it was not now necessary to take her top hospital. I asked why she had changed her mind and she said that it was because she had spoken to me. I even got her to agree that there were excess deaths and that there was something wrong with the system.
The good news is that M-I-L is still at home, oblivious and the vultures have backed off. I would like to find out who was going to benefit from this. I’m guessing it’s the GP – since the whole thing was his idea. If anyone has any thoughts I’d love to know.
Sorry for the mega message. Thanks if you have got this far – it’s so good just to be able to share. My intuition made it clear to me that if she had gone into the hospital she would not have come out again – alive anyway. Thank you XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Weird experience early this morning –
Hi all, I have a question – most relevant to the UK guys. Do we know if doctors get a referral fee when they send patients to hospitals who then pass away? I had a very weird experience this morning.
My mother-in-law has severe dementia and has 24-hour care from personal carers in her own home, paid for by herself. She has become convinced that she can’t walk although there is nothing wrong with her physically. She has been like this for a while. She is very happy within herself otherwise.
I got a call at 8:00 am this morning from a paramedic. She said that she had just taken over from someone in a ‚team‘ who had been with my mother-in for a ‚while‘ and they were just about to take her in an ambulance to the hospital. She said that one of the other paramedics had been trying to contact me, my husband, and my sister-in-law ‚for hours‘ and that as a result, they were just about to take my mother-in-law away.
Well, that was lie number 1 because I had been in all night/morning as had my husband and they had not called either our mobiles or landlines or my sister-in-law’s phone. Odd.
I asked if my M-I-L had had an accident, was physically unwell, or distressed and the lady I was speaking to said no. I asked why on Earth they were taking her to the hospital then – and she said it was because she needed tests because she thought she was immobile. I asked why, if there was no emergency – was she being rushed to the hospital with several paramedics in tow. Especially since she had lived with this for a while and that tests could be done in a leisurely less stressful way at home. Plus she gets very distressed when away from home as many people with dementia do.
The lady said it was because the GP had asked her to be referred to the hospital because the immobility could be the result of an underlying condition. She then asked if I had signed a do-not-resuscitate order. I asked her why and she said it was ‚just procedure‘. She asked who had power of attorney and if anyone had signed the paperwork to let her die if it became necessary. Also if we would be willing to allow ‚certain‘ procedures and critical care pathways to be applied if deemed necessary by the doctor at the hospital – it was all really weird. She asked me if I could prove that there was no such paperwork signed by anyone else.
At which point I stopped being quite so nice. l made it clear that I was writing everything down, that there were a lot of excess deaths and that my M_I_L was not going to be one of them. That older people since COVID have been killed off in care homes and with so-called care pathways. That if this happened to my M-I-L that I would relentlessly pursue everyone involved with the full force of the legal system.
Suddenly the lady agreed that in fact all tests could be done at home and in no rush and that it was not now necessary to take her top hospital. I asked why she had changed her mind and she said that it was because she had spoken to me. I even got her to agree that there were excess deaths and that there was something wrong with the system.
The good news is that M-I-L is still at home, oblivious and the vultures have backed off. I would like to find out who was going to benefit from this. I’m guessing it’s the GP – since the whole thing was his idea. If anyone has any thoughts I’d love to know.
Sorry for the mega message. Thanks if you have got this far – it’s so good just to be able to share. My intuition made it clear to me that if she had gone into the hospital she would not have come out again – alive anyway. Thank you XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX